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A bit of help from 1939 census please

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Sidami

Sidami Report 24 Jul 2018 21:10

I have William Evans bn c 1908 living possibly Carlisle Road Slough possibly time of census?
Annie Elizabeth Newell born June 1910 Brixton ? Many thanks.

Dea

Dea Report 24 Jul 2018 21:36

No-one on 1939 to fit either of those people with the details given.

Do you know anything more about either of them - who they might be with or what happened to them before or after 1939 ?

Thanks,

Dea x

Sidami

Sidami Report 24 Jul 2018 21:43

It’s a bit vague really it’s just that a friend of mine has asked me to look into her husbands parents he was adopted and this is all she has.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Jul 2018 22:09

I can't see any birth of an Annie Elizabeth Newell in Brixton in 1910.

I assume this is the birth you mean?

NEWELL, ANNIE ELIZABETH - (no mms)
GRO Reference: 1908 J Quarter in LAMBETH Volume 01D Page 446

Brixton was in Lambeth reg district.


So this will be her in 1911:

Elizabeth Annie Newell
in the 1911 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Annie Newell
Age in 1911: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1908
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Brixton, London, England
Civil Parish: Clewer Within
County/Island: Berkshire
Country: England
Street address: 59 Arthur Road, Windsor
Occupation: School
Registration district: Windsor
Registration District Number: 125
Sub-registration district: Windsor
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 298
Piece: 6714
Household Members:
Name Age
Harriett Ruth Hawkins 66
John Newell 11 - born Queen Charlotte Hospital, London - visitor
Elizabeth Annie Newell 3


Her name has been written as Annie Newell, then Elizabeth has been added above it as an afterthought.

Ancestry suggests this is John's birth:

NEWELL, JOHN EDWARD - (no mms)
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in MARYLEBONE Volume 01A Page 545


And his death:

John Edward Newell
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: John Edward Newell
Death Age: 77
Birth Date: 9 May 1900
Registration Date: Dec 1977
Registration district: Paddington
Inferred County: Greater London
Volume: 14
Page: 1221

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Jul 2018 22:17

Annie in 1939 ??

Annie E Newall
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: Annie E Newall
[Annie E Driver]
[Annie E Calladine]
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Birth Date: 17 Jun 1907
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 77, Swaffield Road
Residence Place: Wandsworth, London, England
Occupation: Domestic Service Cook
Schedule Number: 3
Sub Schedule Number: 52
OVSPI: Inmate
Enumeration District: AXZG
Registration district: Wandsworth

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Jul 2018 22:24

Her first marriage:

Marriages Jun 1943 (>99%)
Driver Matthew Newell Surrey Mid.E. 2a 786
Newell Annie E Driver Surrey Mid.E. 2a 786

The date of adding the name Calladine to the 1939 record is June 1958, so I assume this is the second marriage - she was already calling herself Calladine:

Marriages Dec 1958 (>99%)
CALLADINE Ann CALLADINE Nottingham 3c 755
CALLADINE Edward CALLADINE Nottingham 3c 755


Her death:

Anne Elizabeth Calladine
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Anne Elizabeth Calladine
Death Age: 82
Birth Date: 17 Jun 1907
Registration Date: Jan 1990
Registration district: Hatfield
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 308




ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 24 Jul 2018 22:44

A possibility for William Evans in 1939 - living at 29 Carlton Road. (Carlton rather than Carlisle ???) Nobody else living with them:

William G Evans
in the 1939 England and Wales Register
Name: William G Evans
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1906
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 29
Residence Place: Slough, Buckinghamshire, England
Occupation: Gluer Sirge worker Heavy [Glue and Size Worker, Heavy ]
Schedule Number: 41
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: DVOE
Registration district: 144/1
Inferred Spouse: Beatrice M Evans
Household Members:
Name
William G Evans
Beatrice M Evans


Beatrice's death:

Beatrice Evans
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: Beatrice Evans
Death Age: 91
Birth Date: 7 Jul 1908
Registration Date: May 2000
Registration district: Slough
Inferred County: Berkshire
Register Number: B32C
District and Subdistrict: 3211B


and William's:

William George Evans
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name: William George Evans
Death Age: 83
Birth Date: 19 Jun 1906
Registration Date: Jan 1990
Registration district: Slough
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume: 19
Page: 574

greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Jul 2018 22:56

Had a look on FMP for that 1939 record. And at the original as the transcript showed her on her own, but number 52 Schedule sub number.

the ? is because they couldn't interpret the initial after Annie

77 Swaffield Road , Wandsworth, London, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Annie ? Calladine (Driver,Newall) 17 Jun 1907 Female Domestic Service Cook Single 3 52

Unfortunately that address is the Workhouse by the looks of it. Annie is one of many at that address looking at the original.

Initially entered as Annie Newall. This was altered to Driver and dated 25.6.1943. The change to Calladine was entered 6.6.58.

These are not necessarily the date that the name changed, but more the date the change was made on the Register

Google the address - plenty to find

EDIT - AG - you've added some info to your post - there was only the first marriage there when I started this one - interrupted mid flow I was!

Sidami

Sidami Report 24 Jul 2018 23:02

Thanks

Sidami

Sidami Report 24 Jul 2018 23:05

I have been told she married Herbert Stratton in 1945?

greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Jul 2018 23:20

In view of where the marriage to Matthew Driver took place, could this be him in 1939 with siblings and Father?

Driver Household (4 People)
138 Seymour Avenue , Merton and Morden U.D., Surrey, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Matthew Driver 01 Jan 1913 Male Tool Fitter Heavy Worker Single 70 3 ***
Matthew Driver 26 May 1884 Male Tool Fitter Heavy Worker Widowed 70 1
Sybella Driver 10 Aug 1910 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 70 2
Donald Driver 14 Dec 1914 Male Tool Fitter Heavy Worker Single 70 4

*** Original has 11.1.1913 (reported)

if it is, then Matthew Senior died in 1947, Surrey Mid Eastern RD and Matthew Junior in 1977

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) MATTHEW
Last name DRIVER
Gender Male
Birth day 11
Birth month 1
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 3
Death year 1977
District Sutton
County Surrey
Volume 15
Page 0540

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 24 Jul 2018 23:32

First name(s) HERBERT R
Last name STRATTON
Marriage quarter 4
Marriage year 1945
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ HERBERT R STRATTON married
Annie E Newell
Spouse's last name Newell
District Eton
District number -
County Buckinghamshire
Country England
Volume 3A
Volume as transcribed 3A
Page number 3716
Record set England & Wales Marriages 1837-2005
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Marriage & Divorce

Kath. x

greyghost

greyghost Report 24 Jul 2018 23:45

Herbert R Stratton on the 1939 Register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Herbert 1939 - would be right area for the marriage 1945

Stratton Household (4 People)
34 White Hart Road , Slough M.B., Buckinghamshire, England

FIRST NAME(S) LAST NAME(S) DOB SEX OCCUPATION MARITAL STATUS SCHEDULE SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER
Herbert R Stratton 28 Jun 1911 Male Porter (Bake House) Single 183 2
Nellie Stratton 07 Jul 1876 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Widowed 183 1
Frederick J Stratton 04 May 1913 Male Window Cleaner Single 183 3
Allan E Stratton 22 Dec 1914 Male Tailor Single 183 4

-----------------------------------
His death

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) HERBERT RONALD
Last name STRATTON
Gender Male
Birth day 28
Birth month 6
Birth year 1911
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1994
District Bracknell
District number 3181
Register number 23
Entry number 144
Date of registration mm/yy 1194

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?? possibly hers, but only going on area of marriage

England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Transcription

First name(s) ANNIE ELIZABETH
Last name STRATTON
Gender Female
Birth day 2
Birth month 6
Birth year 1908
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1971
District Eton
County Buckinghamshire
Volume 6A
Page 1034
Country England

Sidami

Sidami Report 25 Jul 2018 06:04

Greyghost that is the marriage I believe she only married once, she had a son Peter Newell born 1935 out of wedlock.

Sidami

Sidami Report 28 Aug 2018 19:17

Do you have a year on 1939 for when William married Beatrice please?

Sidami

Sidami Report 28 Aug 2018 20:42

Where can I find the marriage of William and Beatrice please?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 28 Aug 2018 21:49

On freebmd if it happened in England or Wales

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 28 Aug 2018 22:07

My guess is that this is the marriage - but you'd have to buy the cert to be absolutely sure.


William G Evans
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Marriage Index, 1916-2005
Name: William G Evans
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1934
Registration district: Eton
Inferred County: Buckinghamshire
Spouse: Beatrice M James
Volume Number: 3a
Page Number: 3875


And Beatrice's birth:

JAMES, BEATRICE MAY mms JAMES
GRO Reference: 1908 S Quarter in ETON BUCKS Volume 03A Page 935

Sidami

Sidami Report 28 Aug 2018 22:41

Thanks

Sidami

Sidami Report 29 Aug 2018 08:19

Can you find Beatrice Evans on 1939 born 1908 Bucks please?