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I am trying to locate possible siblings of my mum. She was born to Kathleen Brenda Saunders in Devon in 1942 and placed up for adoption after 6 weeks. Apparently Kathleen was a nurse during the war over from Wales. About 45 years later my mum successfully traced her mum, who was known as Brenda, sadly after the reunion my mum was rejected a second time as Brenda was not happy to let out the secret of her pass. Despite meeting her several times over the ten years before Brenda died it was always on Brenda’s terms and nothing was spoken about the past apart from the fact her Dad was a Scottish service man, unsure of whether he was aware of my mums existence. After Brenda’s death in 1993 my mum received a call from her Uncle Norman, Brenda’s eldest brother. The sad truth was they were always aware of Brenda’s business and knew about my mum along time before my mum found her. My mum had a relationship with the extended family after Brenda’s death but questions were still unanswered because my mum was far too polite and scared of losing her real mum completely to ask the questions. The story goes that there were at least three babies born to Kathleen Brenda Saunders, with the possibility they were all named Jennifer but with different spellings, my mum is Jenifer. How true this is we do not know but Brenda’s sisiter is adamant she saw three birth certificates when going through her stuff. Sadly most of the extended family have now passed on and with my mum now in her late seventies she feels time is running out to find out the truth. If anyone knew Kathleen during 1930’s or 1940’s or thinks they maybe connected in anyway we would love to find out more.
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Is this your mums birth?

Name: Jenifer Saunders
Registration Date: 1942
Registration district: Kingsbridge
Inferred County: Devon
Re-registration Year: 1942
Mother's Maiden Name: Saunders
Volume Number: 5b
Page Number: 475

Is this your mother's birth? :-

First name(s) JENIFER
Last name SAUNDERS
Birth year 1942
Birth quarter 1
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Saunders
District Kingsbridge
County Devon
Country England
Volume 5B
Page 475
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Births

The only other birth I can see in Devon that could be a possible Jennifer with mother's maiden name Saunders in 1940 +/- 10 years is this one if the middle name was Jennifer:-

First name(s) BERTA J
Last name SAUNDERS
Birth year 1939
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Saunders
District Devon Central
County Devon
Country England
Volume 5B
Page 54
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records

However if your mother did have siblings they could have been born anywhere.

Kath. x

I can't find anymore either Kath.

Could it be that Kathleen had three birth registrations for th esame child if she was adopted and they kept getting the spelling wrong?

Kathleen is on the 1939 at Woodside Nursing home in Plymouth so do you know if she stayed in Devon or not?

If that was the case Mel, I don't think there would be three certificates even if there were three registrations.

Kath. x

Did Kathleen Brenda ever marry as I can't find a death in the name Saunders in 1993?

Kath. x

Have you thought of following up on the lives of any of the other nurses who were working at the same nursing home in Plymouth with Kathleen in 1939? Some of them were probably friends who might have kept in touch with Kathleen, although this is a long shot as it is all so long ago.

Kath. x

The DOB should be on 1939. That could used as a search tool in trying to find her death, unless Kerry can provide the name

There isn't a birth in Wales to match the info provided

This is 1939

Kathleen B Saunders 03 Sep 1914 Female Sick Nurse Single 217 9

Two possible births on freebmd

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Saunders Kathleen B Edwards Marylebone 1a _88
Saunders Kathleen B Pritchard Prescot 8b 1654

No birth for Norman Saunders in either district

She died in Wales

Death
9 May 1993 • Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Name Kathleen Brenda Ryzyc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Death Age 78
Birth Date 3 Sep 1914
Registration Date May 1993
Registration district Bangor
Inferred County Gwynedd
Register Number 56
District and Subdistrict 8411B
Household Members
Name Age
Kathleen Brenda Ryzyc

A tree on Ancestry includes the one born Marylebone and records her death as 2008

Name: Kathleen Brenda Ryzyc
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1914
Registration Date: May 1993
Registration district: Bangor
Inferred County: Gwynedd
Register Number: 56
District and Subdistrict: 8411B

Probate

Name: Kathleen Brenda Ryzyc
Death Date: 9 May 1993
Death Place: Penmaenmawr Gwynedd
Probate Date: 9 Jun 1993
Registry: Llandaff

A copy of the Will would perhaps be informative

First name(s) PIOTR
Last name RYZYC
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1949
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ PIOTR RYZYC married
Kathleen B Saunders
Spouse's last name Saunders
District St. Albans
District number -
County Hertfordshire
Country England
Volume 4B
Volume as transcribed 4B
Page number 428



First name(s) PIOTR
Last name RYZYC
Gender Male
Birth day 22
Birth month 4
Birth year 1909
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1973
District St. Albans
County Hertfordshire
Volume 4B
Page 603

No births for the name Ryzyc, so look for Saunders/Saunders on freebmd

Marriage

Name: Piotr Ryzyc
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1949
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Spouse: Kathleen B Saunders
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 428

Probate

Ryzyc Peter of 31 Boundry Road St Albans died the 13th May 1973
Administratin Oxford 5th July £5735 732803403 G

Has your mum had access her adoption file , it is the law now that she can have the records although she may have to have a counselling session first

Thanks for the replies gosh you were quicker then us ?? yes she married in 1949 to ryzyc and died in 1993. Sadly despite her telling my mum that one day she would see us grandchildren right (despite not wanting us on any visits) the will was taken care of by her family and as my mum never had anything from her in life she wasn’t interested. It’s all here say with regards to an other children and yes they could have been born anywhere. My mum got her adoptive record hence how we found her mum originally before the wonderful internet we went to Llandudno and spent days looking through records and I remember walking the cemetery’s and by pure look we knocked on a door which was listed and the great aunt still lived there and pointed us in the right direction thinking my mum was a family friend. I said she was too polite worried she was opening a can of worms. In hindsight she should have just said who she was! Thank you again everyone x

Oh and Pritchard was the name of Norman. Born out of wedlock by my mums gran. It was all very complicated and we were lucky to work out the puzzle.

So looking into Berta would I be right in thinking she married a Quinn? Is there a way to find the husbands name? Or any children? Please