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Talking to my mum last night I am now forgetting the possibility of sisters and following a lead from a lady that worked at the orphanage that my mum was luckily enough to find many years ago that Kathleen had a boy after my mum. It really is a mind field x

That’s what I have said to my mum but think she just has hope. Tbh by all accounts we know my mum had a lucky escape and was adopted by a wonderful lady, who sadly passed away when I was just 7. Her real mum didn’t only reject her twice she rejected us too but it was her loss! Her real family were like vultures when her biological mum died and stripped the house within hours. Apparently my mums cousin who was a half niece to Brenda has a box of Brenda’s belongings but although my mum has requested several times she is relunctant to share for some unknown reason. Personally think she would have been better off never knowing anything bless her. Can’t thank you enough for helping xx

I can't help thinking that the 'sister' was mistaken - at best.

Aww so she isn’t a sibling then ?? thinking about it if she was adopted her name at marriage would be different, like my mum became an eastcot x

This is Berta with family in 1939

Saunders Household (4 People)
5 Imperial Road , Exmouth U.D., Devon, England


Berta J (Juliet) Quinn (Saunders) 27 Jul 1939 Female Under School Age Single 3 4
Bertha Saunders 05 Apr 1884 Female Caterer Confectionary Married 3 1
Norah I Rock (Saunders) 10 Dec 1911 Female Hotel Bar Assistant Single 3 2
Maive G Saunders 17 Apr 1917 Female Book Keeper & Typist Single 3 3

Her mother will be named on her birth cert. It will cost £9.25

These are the births of the young women on the record

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Saunders Norah I Howe Tiverton 5b 678

Births Jun 1917 (>99%)
Saunders Maive G Howe Tiverton 5b 536

So just found that Berta passed away in 1988 in Torbay. So now my hope is to find any children any assistance would be very much appreciated please xx

So looking into Berta would I be right in thinking she married a Quinn? Is there a way to find the husbands name? Or any children? Please

Oh and Pritchard was the name of Norman. Born out of wedlock by my mums gran. It was all very complicated and we were lucky to work out the puzzle.

Thanks for the replies gosh you were quicker then us ?? yes she married in 1949 to ryzyc and died in 1993. Sadly despite her telling my mum that one day she would see us grandchildren right (despite not wanting us on any visits) the will was taken care of by her family and as my mum never had anything from her in life she wasn’t interested. It’s all here say with regards to an other children and yes they could have been born anywhere. My mum got her adoptive record hence how we found her mum originally before the wonderful internet we went to Llandudno and spent days looking through records and I remember walking the cemetery’s and by pure look we knocked on a door which was listed and the great aunt still lived there and pointed us in the right direction thinking my mum was a family friend. I said she was too polite worried she was opening a can of worms. In hindsight she should have just said who she was! Thank you again everyone x

Has your mum had access her adoption file , it is the law now that she can have the records although she may have to have a counselling session first

Probate

Ryzyc Peter of 31 Boundry Road St Albans died the 13th May 1973
Administratin Oxford 5th July £5735 732803403 G

Marriage

Name: Piotr Ryzyc
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1949
Registration district: St Albans
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Spouse: Kathleen B Saunders
Volume Number: 4b
Page Number: 428

Name: Kathleen Brenda Ryzyc
Death Age: 78
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1914
Registration Date: May 1993
Registration district: Bangor
Inferred County: Gwynedd
Register Number: 56
District and Subdistrict: 8411B

Probate

Name: Kathleen Brenda Ryzyc
Death Date: 9 May 1993
Death Place: Penmaenmawr Gwynedd
Probate Date: 9 Jun 1993
Registry: Llandaff

A copy of the Will would perhaps be informative

First name(s) PIOTR
Last name RYZYC
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1949
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ PIOTR RYZYC married
Kathleen B Saunders
Spouse's last name Saunders
District St. Albans
District number -
County Hertfordshire
Country England
Volume 4B
Volume as transcribed 4B
Page number 428



First name(s) PIOTR
Last name RYZYC
Gender Male
Birth day 22
Birth month 4
Birth year 1909
Age -
Death quarter 2
Death year 1973
District St. Albans
County Hertfordshire
Volume 4B
Page 603

No births for the name Ryzyc, so look for Saunders/Saunders on freebmd

A tree on Ancestry includes the one born Marylebone and records her death as 2008

She died in Wales

Death
9 May 1993 • Bangor, Caernarvonshire, Wales

Name Kathleen Brenda Ryzyc<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Death Age 78
Birth Date 3 Sep 1914
Registration Date May 1993
Registration district Bangor
Inferred County Gwynedd
Register Number 56
District and Subdistrict 8411B
Household Members
Name Age
Kathleen Brenda Ryzyc

There isn't a birth in Wales to match the info provided

This is 1939

Kathleen B Saunders 03 Sep 1914 Female Sick Nurse Single 217 9

Two possible births on freebmd

Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
Saunders Kathleen B Edwards Marylebone 1a _88
Saunders Kathleen B Pritchard Prescot 8b 1654

No birth for Norman Saunders in either district

The DOB should be on 1939. That could used as a search tool in trying to find her death, unless Kerry can provide the name

Have you thought of following up on the lives of any of the other nurses who were working at the same nursing home in Plymouth with Kathleen in 1939? Some of them were probably friends who might have kept in touch with Kathleen, although this is a long shot as it is all so long ago.

Kath. x

Did Kathleen Brenda ever marry as I can't find a death in the name Saunders in 1993?

Kath. x

If that was the case Mel, I don't think there would be three certificates even if there were three registrations.

Kath. x