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Annie Brough please

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David

David Report 15 Aug 2018 09:53

My research leads to the following from Ancestry web site.

ANNIE Brough

Age 0 birth
abt 1895 Macclesfield, Cheshire, England

Age 16 residence
02 Apr 1911 Bolsover, Derbyshire, England

Age 20 Marriage
1915 Mansfield, Nottinghamshire, England
to George Richmond (1879-1953)

Age 21 Birth of son Charles Henry Richmond
Brough (1916-1997)
Dec 1916 Chesterfield, Derbyshire

Age 28 Birth of daughter Edith Annie Richmond-
Brough (1923-2010)
28 Oct 1923 Derbyshire, England

Age 28 Death
1923 Chesterfield, Derbyshire

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 09:56

I think this is the death of the Walter born in 1922 with mmn Brough. He's on the 1939 register working as a servant in Bakewell.

First name(s) Walter
Last name Richmond
Gender Male
Birth day 1
Birth month 1
Birth year 1922
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1979
District East Staffordshire
County Staffordshire
Volume 30
Page 0611
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England
(c) brightsolid online publishing ltd


From the probate he died 21 October and lived Burton on Trent.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 10:17

I'm not seeing a 1915 marriage. Is there any source for that on Ancestry please?

On that tree they have Edith Annie Richmond and no mention of Walter born 1922 who would seem to have the same parents.

I think you need to buy some certificates even if only for elimination purposes.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 10:39

If this is George, he married Hannah Simpson in 1910 but sadly she dies in 1914.

Might be worth noting that from earlier census his father's name is John Walter and he has a brother John Walter sometimes listed as just Walter.


1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
163 Poolsbrook Staveley Chesterfield, Staveley, Derbyshire, England

George Richmond Head Married Male 33 1878 Staveley Seymour Coal Miner Hewer
Hannah Richmond Wife Married Female 19 1892 Staveley Inhersal -


And as Kath has already pointed out he had a brother Charles Henry


1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
26, Mill Green, Staveley, Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England

Alice Richmond Head Widow Female 53 1848 Staveley, Derbyshire, England -
George Richmond Son Single Male 23 1878 Staveley, Derbyshire, England Colliery Labourer Under Ground
Joseph Richmond Son Single Male 13 1888 Staveley, Derbyshire, England Colliery Labourer Under Ground
Albert Siddall Nephew Single Male 12 1889 Staveley, Derbyshire, England -
Florence Ada Richmond Daughter Single Female 11 1890 Staveley, Derbyshire, England -
Charles Hy Richmond Son Single Male 8 1893 Staveley, Derbyshire, England -

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 10:53

This may be the son of George Richmond and Hannah Simpson. Only birth and death records showing for him so probably didn't marry and had already enlisted when the 1939 register was taken.

If he is George's son perhaps he employed Annie Brough as a housekeeper to look after them after Hannah died.


First name(s) Zachariah
Last name Richmond
Gender Male
Birth day 16
Birth month 8
Birth year 1913
Age -
Death quarter 4
Death year 1998
District Chesterfield
District number 3931C
Register number C56E
Entry number 115
Date of registration mm/yy 1098
County Derbyshire
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from Great Britain, England

David

David Report 15 Aug 2018 16:58

It appears George Richmond and Hannah Simpson had a son called John Samual Richmond in 1911 and another son called Zachariah Richmond in 1913
I have a copy of Zachariah's birth certificate to confirm that, John Samual has yet to be confirmed.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 17:07


Name: Mother's Maiden Surname: Order:
RICHMOND, JOHN SAMUEL SIMPSON Order
GRO Reference: 1910 D Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 803 Order


Do you have George's second marriage certificate please?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 15 Aug 2018 17:09

The birth of John S. Richmond:-

First name(s) John S
Last name Richmond
Birth year 1910
Birth quarter 4
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Simpson
District Chesterfield
County Derbyshire
Country England
Volume 7B
Page 803
Record set England & Wales Births 1837-2006

Kath. x

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 17:12



First name(s) John Samuel
Last name Richmond
Birth year 1910
Death year 1910
Age 0
Place Eckington
County Derbyshire
Country England
Register entry ECKD/54/424
Register office Chesterfield
Record set Derbyshire Registrars Death Index
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Civil Deaths & Burials
Collections from England, Great Britain
Derbyshire Family History Society

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 15 Aug 2018 17:17

John Samuel Richmond had already died by the date of the census in 1911 (which is why his name is crossed off the census image. Here is the death:-

First name(s) JOHN S
Last name RICHMOND
Gender Male
Birth day -
Birth month -
Birth year 1911
Age 0
Death quarter 1
Death year 1911
District Chesterfield
County Derbyshire
Volume 7B
Page 451
Country England
Record set England & Wales Deaths 1837-2007

EDIT sorry Rootgatherer, I didn't refresh the page and didn't see that you had already posted the death.

The date of the census was 2nd April and John Samuel's age is given as 2 months but he must have been older if his birth was registered in the last quarter of 1910.

Kath. x

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 17:19


RICHMOND, GEORGE SIDDALL Order
GRO Reference: 1876 S Quarter in CHESTERFIELD Volume 07B Page 691

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 17:23

Fred Siddell on the 1939 Register

1939 REGISTER TRANSCRIPTION
Richmond Household (3 People)
Sutton Springs Wood , Chesterfield R.D., Derbyshire, England

George Richmond
DOB 27 Jul 1876
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Colliery Onsetter
MARITAL STATUS Widowed
SCHEDULE 127
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 1

Zach Richmond
DOB 14 Aug 1913
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Incapacitated Of Work
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 127
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 2

Fred Siddell
DOB 22 Aug 1875
SEX Male
OCCUPATION Farm Labourer
MARITAL STATUS Single
SCHEDULE 127
SCHEDULE SUB NUMBER 3
Ref: RG101/5956F/011/30 Letter Code:
© Findmypast Ltd

David

David Report 15 Aug 2018 17:24

Sorry rootgatherer, i don't have George's second marriage certificate

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 17:25

No problem Kath.

It probably meant on the census that he was two months old when he died.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 15 Aug 2018 17:28

Ah, yes, I hadn't thought of that, lol.

Kath. x

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 15 Aug 2018 17:32

David, I would be tempted to get Walter's birth certificate to check the name of his parents. I'd then probably buy the 1921 marriage certificate even if just to eliminate it.

If you do buy the certificates please let us know the outcome as it's always good to know if we are wide of the mark.

I just can't help wondering if Annie Preston and Annie Brough are one and the same :-)

David

David Report 16 Aug 2018 10:23

Who is Fred Siddell ?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 16 Aug 2018 18:25

George Richmond's mother's maiden surname was Siddell so Fred is probably a cousin lodging with George and Zac in 1939.

grannyfranny

grannyfranny Report 22 Aug 2018 17:03

This is from another source, just to throw something else into the mystery.

'A tree on Ancestry proposes that the Annie Brough, the proposed mother of Charles Henry Richmond Brough was an Ann Pountley, the daughter of Thomas James Pountley, born about 1861 in Congleton and Mary Brough, born about 1866 in Macclesfield. It looks like Thomas and Mary separated around 1890/91 and their children William and Walter Pountley started using the surname Brough. I have found the Annie Brough, a servant in Bolsover in 1911 that you mention, but so far can’t find her in the 1901 census or any other source, to confirm that she was Ann Pountley, using the Brough surname like her siblings.'

David

David Report 27 Aug 2018 20:26

Just to verify, My grandparents Charles Henry Richmond Brough and Alice Mary Arfield were married July 28th 1934
Charles HRB mother was Annie Brough as per his birth certificate. There is no father on the certificate. We believ it is a George Richmond.
It looks like Annie had 2 children, Edith A Richmond and CHR Brough
Geouge Richmond had 2 further children with a Hannah Simson, a Zachariah Richmond and a John S Richmond. (my dad remembers an Uncle Zak)