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James Baughan 1857 St George's Hanover

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Richard

Richard Report 4 Oct 2018 11:53

James Baughan married Mary Ann Clark in Maryleboe in 1881. On his marriage certificate he gives his father as Henry Baughan (Wheelwright). Although I have found him in later censuses I can't find him pre 1891.

The following may be his siblings:- All born St George Hanover Square
Emma Baughan (1839), Edwin (1840), Sophia Baughan (1843), Susannah (1844), William (1847) Sarah (1849), Thomas (1852), Elizabeth (1854).

Can anyone help to find the family in the censuses.

Thanks in anticipation

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Oct 2018 12:02

1891 for our info -

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Dorset Street, St Marylebone, Marylebone, London & Middlesex, England

First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Sex Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
James Baughan Head Married Male 34 1857 Writer And Decorator London, Middlesex, England
Mary Ann Baughan Wife Married Female 34 1857 - London, Middlesex, England
Alfred J W Baughan Son - Male 6 1885 Scholar Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Thomas W Baughan Son - Male 3 1888 Scholar London, Middlesex, England
Peter Baughan Son - Male 0 1891 - London, Middlesex, England
Edith B Spiers Niece Single Female 16 1875 - Essex, England

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Oct 2018 12:11

THOMAS
Last name BAUGHAN
Birth year 1852
Birth quarter 3
Registration month -
Mother's maiden name Hodgson
District St. George Hanover Square
County London
Country England
Volume 1A
Page 169

1861 henry a wheelwright

Name: Henry Bungham
[Henry Bangham]
[Henry Baughan]
Age: 58
Estimated Birth Year: 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte Bungham
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: St George Hanover Square
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

View image
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Hanover Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 153
Piece: 42
Folio: 120
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Bungham 58
Charlotte Bungham 46
Emma Bungham 22
Sophia Bungham 18
Susannah Bungham 16
William Bungham 14
Sarah Bungham 11
Thomas Bungham 8
Elizabeth Bungham 6
James Bungham 4

1871
Name: Henry Banghen
[Henry Bangham]
[Henry Baughan]
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Susannah C Banghen
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Hanover Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Household schedule number: 23
Piece: 97
Folio: 24
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Banghen 60
Susannah C Banghen 55
Susannah Banghen 25
Sarah Banghen 21
Thomas Banghen 18
Elizabeth Banghen 16

1851
Name: Henry Baughan
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Baughan
Gender: Male
Where born: Fewcott, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View image
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Hanover Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 164
Piece: 1475
Folio: 492
Page Number: 38
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Baughan 48
Elizabeth Baughan 35
Emma Baughan 12
Sophia Baughan 8
Susan Baughan 6
Sarah Baughan 2
William Baughan 4
Eliza Williams 15

fmp version

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census

30, Grosvenor Mews, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England
Henry Bingham Head Married Male 58 1803 Coach Wheel Wright Devon, England
Charlotte Bingham Wife Married Female 46 1815 - Walthamstow, Essex, England
Emma Bingham Daughter Unmarried Female 22 1839 Dressmaker St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England
Sophia Bingham Daughter Unmarried Female 18 1843 Dressmaker St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England
Susannah Bingham Daughter Unmarried Female 16 1845 Dressmaker Apprentice St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England
William Bingham Son - Male 14 1847 Waiter Apprentice St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England
Sarah Bingham Daughter - Female 11 1850 Scholar St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England
Thomas Bingham Son - Male 8 1853 Scholar St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Bingham Daughter - Female 6 1855 Scholar St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England
James Bingham Son - Male 4 1857 - St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England

greyghost

greyghost Report 4 Oct 2018 12:14

From original marriage certificate

Married St Mary's, Marylebone 16.7.1881
Both aged 24 so born c 1857.
Both signed

James is a Sign Writer of Shouldham Street. A Bachelor
Mary Ann Rebecca Clark is a Dressmaker of Molyneux Street. Father Ellis Clark deceased. A Coachman.

Witnesses - William ?Graner and Elizabeth Baughan

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Oct 2018 12:17

1939
Name: James Baughan
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Birth Date: 22 Feb 1857
Residence Year: 1939
Address: 41 Debdin House
Residence Place: Paddington, London, England
Occupation: Sign Writer Retired
Schedule Number: 41
Sub Schedule Number: 1
Enumeration District: APCL
Registration district: 1 1 42B.
Household Members:
Name
James Baughan
Winifred James

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Oct 2018 12:29

Name: Henry Baughan
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Widowed
Marriage Date: 27 Mar 1838
Marriage Place: St Andrew Parish, Holborn, London, Middlesex, England
Father: Thomas Baughan
Spouse: Elizabeth Hodgson
FHL Film Number: 374372
Reference ID: v 8 p 121

Henry Baughan

in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966, 1973-1995

Name: Henry Baughan
Death Date: 25 May 1885
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Probate Date: 26 Jun 1885
Registry: Principal Registry

a wheelright

Richard

Richard Report 4 Oct 2018 13:05

Thankyou all so much. I really appreciate the work you do. Thanks again.

safc

safc Report 4 Oct 2018 13:07


First name(s) James
Last name Baughan
Birth year 1857
Birth date 22 Feb 1857
Baptism year 1857
Baptism date 22 Mar 1857
Father's first name(s) Henry
Mother's first name(s) Elizabeth
Parish St George, Hanover Square
County Middlesex
Country England
Page 111
Archive City of Westminster Archives Centre
Record set Westminster Baptisms
Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, Great Britain

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Oct 2018 13:46

BAUGHAN, WILLIAM HODGSON Order
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE
BAUGHAN, SOPHIA HODGSON Order
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 27
BAUGHAN, EDWIN HODGSON Order
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 26 Order
BAUGHAN, HENRY HODGSON Order
GRO Reference: 1841 D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE
BAUGHAN, EMMA HODGSON Order
GRO Reference: 1839 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 19
BAUGHAN, WILLIAM HODGSON Order
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01 Page 35
BAUGHAN, THOMAS HODGSON Order
GRO Reference: 1852 S Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 169
BAUGHAN, ELIZABETH HODGSON Order
GRO Reference: 1854 D Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 166

Richard

Richard Report 4 Oct 2018 14:13

I'm a little confused by Henry's wives. He marries Elizabeth Hodgson in 1838 and she is clearly the mother of his children but who are Charlotte Baughan (b Walthamstow 1815) in the 1861 census and Susannah E Baughan (1816 Essex) in the 1871 census. I can't find the relevant deaths or marriages.

Maddie

Maddie Report 4 Oct 2018 14:26

couldn't find any marraiges either, unless the ennumerator made a mistake


sorry
:-(

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 4 Oct 2018 14:56

This may be the death of the Charlotte on the 1861 census

Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%)
Baughan Charlotte 72 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 292

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Oct 2018 16:08

The 1838 marriage:

Name: Henry Baughan
Gender: Male
Record Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 27 Mar 1838
Marriage Place: St Andrew Holborn, City of London, England
Father: Thomas Baughan
Spouse: Elizabeth Hodgson
Register Type: Parish Register

Henry is already a widower, a coach wheelwright, of full age, of 30 Grosvenor Mews, father Thomas Baughan, also a coach wheelwright.

Elizabeth is a spinster of full age, address same as her groom, father William Howard Hodgson is a wheelwright.

Witnesses James Hodgson and Sophia ? [possibly also Hodgson]


Interesting.....could this be the first marriage, to a relative, or even sister, of his second wife? This would actually have been illegal in 1838, to marry your deceased wife's sister....

Name: Henry Baughan
Gender: Male
Record Type: Banns (Bann)
Marriage Banns Date: 5 Jul 1831
Marriage Banns Place: St Andrew Holborn, City of London, England
Spouse: Sarah Hodgson
Register Type: Parish Register

Too early for details of father's names or occupations. Same place of marriage as in 1838 .

Witnesses Samuel Randall and Elizth Hodgson.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 Oct 2018 16:17

Out of area, but could this possibly be the first wife's death?

BAUGHAN, SARAH 27
GRO Reference: 1837 S Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03 Page 19

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Oct 2018 16:18

Susannah C Baughan and Charlotte Baughan might be one and the same if 'C' stood for Charlotte and she was sometimes known by her middle name?

No joy on remarriages though.

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 5 Oct 2018 16:21

A child of the 1831 marriage ?

Name: Henry Baughan
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 7 Aug 1832
Baptism Place: St George Hanover Square, Westminster, England
Father: Henry Baughan*****Occ: Wheelwright
Mother: Sarah Baughan

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Oct 2018 16:25

Looks good Erika, and that fact that father Henry is a wheelwright helps confirm the likeliness the 1831 marriage is correct.

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Oct 2018 16:31

Incidently the probate for Henry mentioned earlier shows the sole executrix to be
Elizabeth Hodgson, spinster of 24 Bourdon street (also the abode and place of Death for Henry) who proved the will.

So no obvious clues there about any further wives.

You could buy a copy of the will for £10...?

https://www.gov.uk/search-will-probate

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Oct 2018 16:40

Not sure if it's been posted or not, but in the 1841 census, Elizabeth Baughan and firstborn daur Emma are staying with her parents William and Elizabeth Hodgson at
Grosvenor Mews.


1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Grosvenor Mews, St George Hanover Square, London & Middlesex, England

William Hodgson Male 60 1781 -
Elizabeth Hodgson Female 45 1796 -
Sophia Hodgson Female 25 1816 -
William Hodgson Male 15 1826 -
Jane Jones Female 14 1827 Middlesex, England
Elizabeth Baughan Female 25 1816 -
Emma Baughan Female 2 1839 Middlesex, England

there are various others also listed, but no sure if they are same household.

EDIT Sophia Hodgson may be the witness at Elizabeth's 1838 wedding?

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 5 Oct 2018 18:52

I'm wondering if Elizabeth Hodgson, Susannah C Baughan, and Charlotte Baughan are all the same woman going by different forenames.

In 1851 Elizabeth is born c1816 at Walthamstow, Essex.

Name: Elizabeth Baughan
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Baughan
Gender: Female
Where born: Walthamstow, Essex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps:
View related Ecclesiastical Parish
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

(Incidently her widowed father William H. Hodgson is also one of several families residing at 30 Grosvenor Mews. He is aged 71, and born Enfield, Middlesex, a master wheelwright.

he dies a couple of years after the census:

HODGSON, WILLIAM HOWARD 73
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in SAINT GEORGE HANOVER SQUARE Volume 01A Page 123

and his baptism?

Name: Wm Howard Hodgson
Gender: Male
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 26 Jan 1780
Baptism Place: St Andrew, Enfield, Middlesex, England
Father: John Hodgson
Mother: Sarah Hodgson )

Maddie has Charlotte Baughan on the 1871 census as born c1815 Walthamstow, Essex, and in 1871 Susannah C is also born c1816, Essex.

Name: Susannah C Banghen
[Susannah C Bangham]
[Susannah C Baughan]
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Henry Banghen
Gender: Female
Where born: Essex, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Hanover Square

I definitely think Susannah C Baughan and Charlotte Baughan are the same woman, as I intimated previously, but now I think that woman is also the 'Elizabeth' that Henry married in 1838.