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What exactly do you know about his running off to US?
How did you find out about that?


As far as online records are concerned, there seems to be no emigration record for him - at least not under the surname Gates - and no US census or death record either.

If he really did go, he must have changed his name - and not to Whyman, which I've checked.

National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
Southampton, Hampshire, England

First name(s) Fred
Country England
Last name Gates
Archive Southampton Archives
Birth year 1878
Archive reference SC/E6/14/24
Birth date 13 Feb 1878 ***************
Book type Admissions
Record set National School Admission Registers & Log-Books 1870-1914
School name Freemantle National School
Category Education & work
Town Southampton
Subcategory Schools & Education
County Hampshire
Collections from Great Britain, England

Log book entries cover Years 1881 and another in 1884

However, on an 1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
17, Fir Grove Road, Millbrook, South Stoneham, Hampshire, England

Albert Gates Head Married Male 47 1844 Ships labourer Lymington, Hampshire
Sarah A Gates Wife Married Female 45 1846 Norfolk
Sarah Gates Daughter Single Female 21 1870 Southampton, Hampshire
William Gates Son Single Male 17 1874 Postman Southampton, Hampshire
and
Fred Gates Son Male 13 1878 Scholar Freemantle, Hampshire, England

I note that OP stated Fred was born in Shirley. I suspect Shirley was the registration district, which included Freemantle.

Baptism was in Freemantle, as per my earlier post

1939 Register - In case Fred returned to/never left UK

Search -Fred* Gates

18 Wilton Place, Portsmouth, Portsmouth C.B., Hampshire, England

Frederick Gates 28 Jun 1878 Male Park Foreman Married 252 1
Edith Gates 02 Nov 1877 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 252 2

DOB does not match Freemantle Fred Gates

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13 Feb 1878 + Gates

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13 Feb 1878 + Whyman

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A tree on Ancestry has wrongly claimed that Solar's Frederick died in Italy in 1918.

The Frederick Gates who died in Italy was born in Alton , Hants in 1888, was aged 30 at death, and was married to an Edith (nee Thomas), living in Alton in 1918.


(And obviously not the Frederick and Edith in Jinks's post above.)

That 1939 one is with Edith and their children in PORTSMOUTH in 1921

Feedback from OP may help………