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Patrick

Patrick Report 30 Sep 2024 14:21

Looking for ancestors of John Lacey and Rosina Willetts born circa 1918

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Sep 2024 14:31

Have you tried looking for info yourself?

Assuming this refers to England/Wales (you failed to say) look for info using freebmd as a starting point. You must be aware of the site..................

Are they supposed to be connected to each other?

PLEASE be more informative when asking for help

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2024 14:43

Where were they born?

Were they both born c1918 - or only Rosina?

What is the relationship between them?
They don't appear to have married, at least not in England/Wales/Scotland.

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Sep 2024 14:44

30 John Lacey's born 1918 +/- 2 years England/Wales

2 Rosina Willet's 1917 and 1920 if that's her maiden name.

What more do you know about them?

the 1917 one died aged 1, so ? Rosina A Willetts b 1920

Use freebmd to find them - where mmn will show -

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 30 Sep 2024 14:45

Have you looked at Search/ search all members trees to see if anyone has them on their trees.
Added:
From freebmd
There were three Rosina Willetts born over a 4 year period Portsmouth 1916, Dudley 1917 and Bethnal Green 1920.

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Sep 2024 14:46

IF correct person -

1921 Census Of England & Wales

First name(s) Last name Relationship to head Sex Birth year Age in years Birth place Occupation Employer
Percy Edward Willetts Head Male 1892 29 - Baker & Conf Employer Mr Fookes & Co Ltd Baker & Confr
Sarah Willetts Wife Female 1893 28 Poplar, London, England - -
William Willetts Son Male 1915 6 Bethnal Green, London, England - -
Robert Willetts Son Male 1916 5 Bethnal Green, London, England - -
Florence Willetts Daughter Female 1917 3 Bethnal Green, London, England - -
Rosina Willetts Daughter Female 1920 1 Bethnal Green, London, England - -


EDIT - So much more helpful if you give all the information that you know, even if it is very little as it would have saved looking these records up (see OP's post 2 below).

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Sep 2024 14:48

1939 Register
Eleanor Lodge Elm Road, Hadleigh, Billericay U.D., Essex, England

First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Percy E Willetts 05 Apr 1890 Male Baker Widowed 133 1
William G Willetts 24 Nov 1914 Male Sand Pit Labourer Single 133 2
Robert P Willetts 10 Dec 1915 Male Labourer Single 133 3
Rosina A Stevens (Willetts) 03 Feb 1920 Female Domestic Servant Single 133 4
Edward S Willetts 17 Nov 1927 Male At School Single 133 5
The record for this person is officially closed.
Florence D Spooner 03 Sep 1917 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 133 7
Frank C Spooner 03 Aug 1916 Male Heavy Motor Driver Married 133 8
Rosina A Stevens 03 Feb 1920 Female Domestic Servant Single 133 4

EDIT - comment as above

Patrick

Patrick Report 30 Sep 2024 14:50

I only know that Rosina was born 1917 in Dudley and her mothers maiden name is Hill

Patrick

Patrick Report 30 Sep 2024 14:50

I only know that Rosina was born 1917 in Dudley and her mothers maiden name is Hill

Marked As Answer Marked as Answered

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Sep 2024 14:53

She died in 1918................so why is she linked in your post to John Lacey?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Sep 2024 14:54

Deaths Mar 1918 (>99%)
Willetts Rosina 1 Dudley 6b 1010

You know the MMN, so look for the marriage of the parents....................easy to do on freebmd

nameslessone

nameslessone Report 30 Sep 2024 14:58

As well as the freebmd site there are two others freecen( census) and free reg ( parish registers).
All three are excellent free sites.

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Sep 2024 14:58

So what do you know about john Lacey?

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2024 15:00

Births Mar 1917 (>99%)
Willetts Rosina Hill Dudley 6b 1485


Rosina Willetts
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1916-2007
Name Rosina Willetts
Death Age 1
Birth Date abt 1917
Registration Date Jan 1918 [Feb 1918] [Mar 1918]
Registration Quarter Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration district Dudley
Inferred County Staffordshire
Volume 6b
Page 1010



There was more than one Willetts/Hill marriage in Dudley (assuming that's where her parents married) in the few years before 1917:

Marriages Dec 1914 (>99%)
HILL Annie E Willetts Dudley 6b 1936
Willetts Benjamin Hill Dudley 6b 1936


Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)
Hill Elizabeth Willetts Dudley 6b 1518
Willetts Samuel Hill Dudley 6b 1518


Marriages Dec 1911 (>99%)
Hill Miriam Dudley 6c 226
Willetts Benjamin Dudley 6c 226

You'll have to buy her birth cert to find out her father's name - although if his name was Benjamin, you'll have two choices and have to do some further digging.

greyghost

greyghost Report 30 Sep 2024 15:01

Another free site, where mmn is given from Q3 1837 onwards unlike freebmd which only starts Q3 1911.

Also gives full first names instead of initials for second

and age at death from Q3 1837

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Sep 2024 15:10

Dec 1911 marriage was NOT to Hill

Postem on freebmd.......

4/09/2011 George H. Portman married Miriam Hill in Netherton Messiah Baptist Chapel, Cinder Hill.

BIRTH cert will include MOTHER's name

Maddie

Maddie Report 30 Sep 2024 15:21

from a tree on ancestry

Percy George Willetts
1882–1956

Birth OCT 1882 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Death MAR 1956 • Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire, England
Facts Gallery LifeStory
Timeline

1882Age 0(AGE)

Birth

Oct 1882 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

1891Age 9
Residence

1891 • Aston, Warwickshire, England

1901Age 19
Residence

1901 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England

1909Age 27
Death of father Charles Thomas Willetts (1848–1909)

11 Nov 1909 • Bythorn, Gravelly Hill, Warwickshire, England

1911Age 28
Residence

02 Apr 1911 • Erdington, Warwickshire, England

Manager, electro plate trade.

1912Age 29
Marriage

Apr 1912 • Warwickshire

1917Age 34
Birth of daughter Rosina Willetts (1917–1918)

Mar 1917 • Dudley, Staffordshire

1918Age 35
Death of daughter Rosina Willetts (1917–1918)

Mar 1918 • Dudley, Staffordshire, England

1956Age 73
Death

Mar 1956 • Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire, England


spouse
frances i hill
daughter Rosina

Maddie

Maddie Report 30 Sep 2024 15:24

Percy G
Last name Willetts
Marriage quarter 2
Marriage year 1912
Registration month -
MarriageFinder™ Percy G Willetts married one of these people
Lila C Newman, Frances I Hill
Spouse's last name Hill
District Aston
District number -
County Warwickshire
Country England
Volume 6D
Volume as transcribed 6D
Page number 470

ces I Willetts in 1939
1939 Register
Bonne Doone Beaconsfield Road, Royal Sutton Coldfield, Sutton Coldfield M.B., Warwickshire, England
1939 register badge
View original record
Household members (5 people)
First name(s) Last name(s) Birth date Sex Occupation Marital status Schedule Schedule sub number
Percy G Willetts 14 Oct 1882 Male Electro Plater Government Sub Contract Married 122 1
Frances I Willetts 03 Jun 1887 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married 122 2
Betty M Sewell (Willetts) 17 Feb 1913 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 122 3
Jean W Willetts 26 Jun 1918 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Single 122 4
Edith Evans (Joberns) 31 Aug 1916 Female Paid Domestic Single 122 5

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 30 Sep 2024 15:42

Both Betty and Jean (above) were registered in TAMWORTH district............

Ancestry trees are notoriously unreliable, and the one quoted above has NO record of the children who can be shown to be of this marriage, nor is there any proof that Rosina was the child of Percy and Frances. Guesswork, I suggest

1921 Census Of England & Wales
Bonme Dorne, Beaconsfield Road, Sutton Coldfield, Staffordshire, England
Percy Willetts Head Male 1883 37 Erdington, Warwickshire, England Decorator Electric Plating Willett Coll Co
Irene Willetts Wife Female 1889 32 Erdington, Warwickshire, England Home Duties -
Betty Willetts Daughter Female 1913 8 Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire, England - -
Jean Willetts Daughter Female 1917 3 Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire, England - -

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Sep 2024 17:40

Patrick -
as already said, you need a copy of Rosina's birth cert, to know for sure who her father was.