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I have my mothers birth cert and it says mother ellen mummery late edwards formerly smith my mother was born dec 1913 at 25 diamond st. father charles mummery occupation carman(timber)do not what that is? anyway how can i find out where she was born and year of birth and same details for charles many thanks in advance

this is thier marriage Ellen Edwards 1910 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey Charles Mummery 1910 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) Charles Mummery Year of Registration: 1910 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec DISTRICT: Camberwell (1837-1919) County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 1446 (click to see others on page)

what county?

Here is the marriage reference: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Dec 1910 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>Edwards Ellen Camberwell 1d 1446 England Edith R Camberwell 1d 1446 England Henry J Camberwell 1d 1446 >>>>>>Mummery Charles Camberwell 1d 1446 Roach Clara E Camberwell 1d 1446 Sam x

Here is the marriage for Ellen and Charles if you order that it will give you their father's names/ View Record Ellen Edwards 1910 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey View Record Edith R England 1910 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey View Record Henry J England 1910 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey View Record Charles Mummery 1910 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey View Record Clara E Roach 1910 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey Name: Charles Mummery Year of Registration: 1910 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec DISTRICT: Camberwell (1837-1919) County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 1446 (click to see others on page)

If you can trace her marriage to Charles Mummery and order the certificate, it will tell you how old they both were and the name and occupations of both fathers. This will make it easier to track down a birth for both Ellen and Charles. Sam x

looks like that marriage was her, found this death John Henry W Edwards abt 1876 1905 Jan-Feb-Mar Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey

First husband's death: Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwards John Henry W 29 Camberwell 1d 479

could this be her first marriage >>>>>>>.John Henry W Edwards 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey View Record Arthur Gray 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey >>>>>>.View Record Ellen Smith 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey View Record Caroline Matilda Swallow 1896 Oct-Nov-Dec Camberwell (1837-1919) London, Surrey

this looks like them in 1901 Ellen Edwards Age: 22 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, London, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Camberwell County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Crother 32 Ellen Edwards 22 John Edwards 25 John Edwards 1

Could this be her first marriage? Marriages Dec 1896 (>99%) Edwards John Henry W Camberwell 1d 1453 Gray Arthur Camberwell 1d 1453 Smith Ellen Camberwell 1d 1453 Swallow Caroline Matilda Camberwell 1d 1453 And her first husbands death... Deaths Mar 1905 (>99%) Edwards John Henry W 29 Camberwell 1d 479 Georgina.

1881 Ellen Smith Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Martin Mother's name: Catherine Gender: Female Where born: Bermy, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 6 Crucifix Lane Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St Mary Magdalen ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alphonsine Law 23 Thomas Law 25 John Pratt 30 Margaret Pullett 12 Catherine Smith 30 Ellen Smith 2 Martin Smith 40 Kimpton Ward 25

This looks like them on the 1901 census... Name: John Edwards Age: 25 Estimated birth year: abt 1876 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Camberwell, London, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Camberwell County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 6 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Crother 32 Ellen Edwards 22 John Edwards 25 John Edwards 1 Georgina.

1891 Ellen Smith Age: 12 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Martin Mother's name: Catherine Gender: Female Where born: Southwark; Bermondsey, London, England Civil parish: St Marylebone Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Marylebone Sub-registration district: St John ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Catherine Smith 40 Ellen Smith 12 Germine Smith 8 Martin Smith 52 Mary Smith 9

There’s also this one in 1881: Ellen Smith Age: 2 Estimated birth year: abt 1879 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Frank Mother's name: Frances Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England Civil parish: Lewisham County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 35 Elswick Rd Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Lewisham Sub-registration district: Lewisham ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Smith 2 Frances Smith 34 Frank Smith 38 Frank Smith 4 Gertrude Smith 8 Isabell Smith 6 Norman Smith 1 YET ANOTHER: Ellen L. Smith Age: 1 Estimated birth year: abt 1880 Relation: Daughter Father's name: John Archer Mother's name: Emma Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England Civil parish: Bermondsey County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Alderminster House Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Olave Southwark Sub-registration district: St James Bermondsey ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen L. Smith 1 Emma Smith 30 Emma Smith 5 John A. Smith 4 John Archer Smith 34 Kate Smith 9 Esther Weeks 22 You really need the marriage cert to be sure. Angela

or this family., 1891 Ellen Smith Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Thomas Mother's name: Hannah Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, London, England Civil parish: St George The Martyr Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: Kent Road ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age David Smith 20 Ellen Smith 13 Hannah Smith 38 Kate Smith 4 Thomas Smith 42

This might POSSIBLY be Charles' birth: Births Jun 1883 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MUMMERY Charles Camberwell 1d 894 However, you really need to get the marriage cert to be certain. Angela

too many births with that name . the marrigage cert will give you her dad,then one of the cencus pages sent should match.

Hold on: I've found this on the 1901 census & Charles is a timber/carman! Ellen Mummery Age: 24 Estimated birth year: abt 1877 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Charles Gender: Female Where born: Bermondsey, London, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints North Peckham County/Island: London Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 253 Household Members: Name Age Alfred Mummery 1 Charles Mummery 27 Ellen Mummery 24 William Mummery 3 View Original Record View original image

Gillian I found out a lot of information about Charles Mummery for you last week - you deleted your thread but said you had copied the information down. That 1901 entry was him - and his previous wife who died young before he married Ellen. It is a shame to waste peoples time looking for information that I already gave you last week!