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Hi, This might be her birth reg ame: Mary Ellen Goulden Year of Registration: 1895 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun DISTRICT: Leigh County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 317 (click to see others on page)

Will someone please help me on this..Have tried so many times.Just spend each night trawling through hoping to find something.I may have set myself off the wrong way and thats the prob and if I pass it to you then I wont get anywhere.... I have the marraige cert for Mary Ellen Goulden marrying Thomas Mitchell 21/03/1914 at St augustines roman catholic church Chorlton,Manchester.She is age 21 and he is 22.Her father is John Goulden a hawker.The witness`s are Joseph Sheen and Frances J McDonall. I have the birth cert for William Goulden born 23/04/1911..mother Mary Ellen Goulden of 38 Bridge St Chorlton South Manchester. Can someone please help me find her birth and any info on census for family.Not much to go on but really need help on this.Thank you Wanda.x 1891 census help now needed.

Using name + Hawker on official site.......... John Golden 42 Lanc Mchr Manchester Lancashire South Manchester Sand Hawker Reg

Same chap on Ancestry.......... Name: John Golden Age: 42 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: South Manchester Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock ED, institution, or vessel: 52 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 103 Household Members: Name Age John Golden 42 Mary Ellen Golden 8 Sarah A Golden 14 Honorah Quinn 18 Mary Quinn 49 Reg

How about Golden spelled this way? 1901 census 1 Tebbuts Row, S. Manchester. Lancashire John Golden, head, widower, 42, sand hawker, born Manchester Sarah A., dau, 14, born Manchester Mary Ellen, dau, 8, born Manchester Mary Quinn, boarder, widow, 49, charwoman, born Ireland Honorah Quinn, dau, 18, charwoman, born Manchester

Thanks Reg..that is exactly what I have found....Dont want to be cheeky but if that is him can you see him in 1891? Thanks Sue but sent for that cert and that is not her.. Please keep helping so I can eliminate the bits I have found as I think I will go off my head with this one...... Yes Margaret that is what I found..Thank you

this all sounds very familiar.....? OC

Yes OC it is and thats why I am back and desperate.Sent for the birth you gave me and that isnt the one..That is why I dont want to put on here what I have as it could throw people off..I want it to be a look without me giving info that may not be valid..Hope you understand. Wanda x

As I know it takes time to look for info will sign out now and its late at night.Please dont be put off by OC`s reply..I am not one who doesnt take notice of advice given.I sent for the cert that OC suggested and unfortunately it isnt the one.I just want this to be a fresh search so I can eliminate the could be`s....Fresh eyes is what is needed as this is a brick wall now with concrete reinforcement! Will be back tmoz and nudge this back up.Thanks for looking.Wanda.x

Wanda I wasn't trying to put people off helping you, it was just that the information seemed familiar and now I know why! Thankyou for explaining that you are having a second go at it - no problems with that. OC

Outside chance - Mary Ellen Golden Dec Q 1893 Derby 7b 524 Or Mary Ellen Goulding Runcorn Dec Q 1892 8a 201 Peter

mary ellen goulden june 1895 leigh manchester volume 8c page 317 found in just a few minutes on Free BMD page.....

okay sorry - so thats not the one... I will think again for you.

one of these be any good? Mary Ellen Goulding 1891 Oct-Nov-Dec Wigan Greater Manchester, Lancashire View Record Mary Ellen Goulding 1894 Apr-May-Jun Chorley Lancashire

Wanda, It looks as if Reg has found your family in 1901. Both John GOULDEN and Mary QUINN were widowed. I think I have found them in 1891, John is with his wife Sarah and Mary QUINN is a widow living next door. I will send you the images direct, the 1891 image is poor and I have tied to clean it up a bit for you. Jennifer

Thanks Peter in NZ.Will look at those 2...Thanks for trying Christine..Thanks Jennifer Yorkshire.I can eliminate the Chorley but will look at the Wigan one...And Jennifer Wright.Thanks for that you have now confirmed what I thought for 1891.Reg got it right for 1901 as you say.Sorry if this is long winded but wondered if anyone could see something different that I could have missed. What baffles me is why Mary Ellen spelt her name Goulden.John is Goulden in 1891 but Golden in 1901.All the probable Gouldens for her birth just dont seem to tie in. Could it be that a mistake was made in the spelling and that Goulden stuck but really their name was Golden? That could bring the probable Derby birth of Mary Ellen Golden into it...Will plod on...and thanks to all who helped.Jennifer W am going to pm you with a small query if thats ok..Its about the images you sent me.and thanks for keeping them big.Much appreciated.Wanda x

Wanda As I think I explained before, the difference in spelling is all down to the local Lancashire accent. My Holdens are often Houldens. It depended who was writing it down, what the writer heard, etc, - and it really didnt matter to most people how their name was spelled - it was just some baffling government document which didnt seem very important to anyone, and was being filled in under duress anyway. I really wouldn't get hung up on the spelling of the surname. OC

Sorry but family descended on me after having eaten themselves.Not had a bite to eat and ended up babysitting so sorry for leaving it so long to reply.... Thanks OC..I do know what you mean but it seems really wierd that Mary Ellen was Goulden on everything from the birth of William in 1911 onwards.She learnt to spell so at an early age she knew her name was Goulden..I am leaning towards Golden...but if my investigations come to anything then I will be totally wrong as the family I think could be hers has that many different spellings of the name then I will be buying certs forevermore.... Just wanted someone to come up with something different that I could have missed..I have 5 lines of Gouldens going at the moment..trying to eliminate the Johns out of them but then they convert to Goulding and then Golding so its just one mixed bunch...Anyway thanks for replying and sorry its taken so long for me to get back to you..Wanda.x

Just thought I`d add this...Out of all the hot matches I get regarding the name Goulden..isnt it funny that not one person answers that is researching that name...I would be in there like a shot if someone put any variance or the name on the board...Like you did OC when I said about having the name Holden in my family and you wanted to know if it was your elusive relative...I would love to do a research and see how many people actually do use the boards that are registered on GR..Not so many by the looks of it.....And..no Im not waffling.Have contacted people on Ancestry who are definately connected to my family and not one reply...How sad is that.......Love to you all for helping me...We have a lovely crowd on here and cant thank everyone enough for what they do...Wanda.x

Wanda I got my hotmatches two weeks ago and sent out 13 messages. I have only had three replies. Mostly I am OFFERING them information, not looking for information! OC