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A different take I found this for 1891 which I assume is the one previously mentioned as widow Mary Quinn is next door Name: John Goulden Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1859 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Sarah Father's name: Thomas Gender: Male Where born: Manchester Civil parish: Chorlton On Medlock Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Manchester County/Island: Lancashire Registration district: Chorlton Sub-registration district: Chorlton upon Medlock ED, institution, or vessel: 43 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Eliza Goulden 12 dau (not sure of the age on this) John Goulden 32 Sarah Goulden 30 Thomas Rowbotham 62 father John Williams 5 son Sarah Ann Williams 3 dau Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3187; Folio 109; Page 18; GSU roll: 6098297. I think that Thomas Rowbotham is Sarah's father as I can find a suitable family in 1871. I looked for a marriage between John Goulden and Sarah Williams - no luck. Also no marriage between Sarah Rowbotham and a Williams. There was this birth though Name: Mary Ellen Rowbottom Year of Registration: 1892 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec DISTRICT: Chorlton County: Lancashire Volume: 8c Page: 894 Maybe John never married Sarah

Now Andrea that is interesting..I already tried the Mary Ellen Williams birth cert theory and that was a no no.Will send for that and let you know...One other theory is that perhaps the childrens last name wasnt Williams.That John Williams was John William Goulden and the enumerator got it wrong and just put Williams down..Will see...Thanks for reply again and thanks OC for replying..I wait in hope for my links!...Wanda.x

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Hi Wanda I like that Mary Ellen Rowbotham birth, remember looking for ages at Thomas Rowbotham and trying to get to the truth will have to take a look now! Janice xxx

Oh God Janice..Hiya,didnt want to mither you cos know how busy you are! Thank you so much for replying..Yes am still here with Mary Ellen..Why didnt you pm me? The theory on the Rowbotham is brill but I with no brains or eyes couldnt understand or see it!! The fact that 2 people from one family could be at different addresses at the same time was a bit of a `clutching at straws`....Am trying to tie in my appointments at Manchester hospital to visit the library but they keep cancelling..at least now I know Im not dying!!! Keep putting ads in Manchester eve news to see if any connections to us but all I get is crank calls and a bloke that says he was born in the next bed to my grandmother and that she had long brown hair!!! God help giving birth to all that fuzz thats all I can say!! LOL.Wanda.x

Hi Wanda Sent you a pm with image of a Rowbotham Birth? Sent you pm back when last we spoke abt your brother and not heard back from you? Thought you must be taking a holiday till I saw you back on here. Love Janice xxx

ps..by the way...am spending every night going through the 1881 census for the Gouldens..I have a theory beside the Rowbotham one..that John Goulden`s parents are Thomas born Hindley abt 1834 and Martha born Tyldsley1832..They all dissappear in 1881.Not one but the whole family including the Williams,Rowbothams etc...In the Goulden family John is born Manchester abt 1861..What I have done is blanket searched all the Johns in 1881 but nothing seems to fit in with the John I have with a daughter Eliza born abt 1879,so now I am going through all the 1881 census to see if it has been mistranscribed for Chorlton on Medlock...I realised this could be done when I was looking as a whole family by the name of Rutter from next door was mistranscribed as Goulding with the one I was looking for..Never in a million years would that have been found by blanket searching..Have informed Ancestry so hopefully the Rutter family can find their relatives now... Wanda.x

Hello Wanda, Did you look into the birth of Mary E Quinn? I know that I've suggested this to you before, but could Mary Quinn, the widowed neighbour, be Mary Ellen's mother? She is living with John in the following census. Deb:)

Hi Deb,sorry late replying but I dont get on here till night.Yes I sent for the cert and father was James Quinn and mother Mary Jane Quinn formerly Gilligan..Thanks for replying..will keep looking... Wanda

Hi Wanda Just a thought? Could you put up the birth certificates you have already bought looking for Mary Ellen, that way we could all save the thread and keep the information on here? I know I have selected a couple of possibilities which have turned out Wrong and I was interested to see The Quinn Birth Illiminated. I know I have problems after a while where I forget who we have illiminated and who we have not illiminated. It May Help Narrow the Field if we all see them Written up. Know it means digging them all out and printing up each Birth & Parents plus reference number etc, but it may be worth a shot. Love Janice xxxx