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If I can not find a marriage certificate how can go back any more? Gail

Hi why not put details of the marriage you are looking for and maybe someone can help, maybe even find it. Give it a try go on..........

ok here goes... John Henry Speakman was born in 1881 Farnworth. He married (or should I say I think he did) Mary Ann Whalley who was born 1878 Farnworth. Their first child was born in 1906 in Barnsley. Last child 1912 in Barnsley. In 1901 John was living with his mother and Stepfather in Farnworth. If anyone can help I would be really grateful. Thanks. Gail

Hi Gail What period of years have you searched and did you search the full listings? Jill

I have searched 1904 to 1919 but i could have missed them. the children were born 1906 to 1912. The last born is my Gran born in Barnsley as they all were. Gail

Hi, She is down as Mary Ann Speakman formerly Whalley. Gail

Hi do you have your Gran's birth certificate? If you do is Whalley the only other name she used? Val

Gail, Do you have Mary Ann in 1901? Rose

One reason for not finding a marriage is that one party was already married. My suspicions are confirmed: Marriages Sep 1897 Booth John Bolton 8c 528 WHALLEY Mary Ann Bolton 8c 528 1901 census: Name: Mary A Booth Age: 23 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: John Gender: Female Where born: Farnworth, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Farnworth Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: Farnworth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 9 Household Members: Name Age Florence M Booth 10 months John Booth 24 Mary A Booth 23 Might explain the move to Barnsley from Farnworth. Rose

Gail, is your Gran still alive? Val

My gran died the year before I married 1978 hit and run. It is an interesting theory about being married twice. Gail

There is this Mary Ann Whalley on the 1901. Could there be a mistake with the Failsworth/Farnsworth? The image does say Failsworth though. 1901 England Census about Mary Ann Whalley Name: Mary Ann Whalley Age: 18 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Jane Gender: Female Where born: Failsworth, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Failsworth Ecclesiastical parish: St John County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Prestwich Sub-registration district: Failsworth ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 41 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Whalley 19 Jane Whalley 56 Mary Ann Whalley 18 William Whalley 59 View Original Record View original image View bla

On the 1891 Mary Ann Whalley is living next door to John Henry Speakman and her parents are Joseph and Elizabeth.........I think this is the right person. Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3095; Folio 64; Page 39; GSU roll: 6098205. Gail.

I am told by family that it is Farnworth that she was born and from the family bible she had siblings Ann 1984, James and Henry 1892, Alice 1899, Elizabeth 1885, Joseph 1883, Margret 1881, Maria 1879, James 1875, William 1873. I believe their father is Joseph. Hope this helps not that it has helped me. Gail

Florence died a few months after the census: Deaths Sep 1901 (>99%) Booth Florence May 1 Bolton 8c 265 Rose

1891? Name: Mary A Whalley Age: 13 Estimated birth year: abt 1878 Relation: Daughter Father's name: Joseph Mother's name: Elizabeth Gender: Female Where born: Farnworth, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Farnworth Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Whalley 37 Elizabeth Whalley 5 Joseph Whalley 44 Joseph Whalley 7 Margret A Whalley 9 Maria Whalley 11 Mary A Whalley 13 Mary A Whalley 1 William Whalley 17 Elizabeth Whalley abt 1854 Marple, Cheshire, England Wife Farnworth Lancashire Elizabeth Whalley abt 1886 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Daughter Farnworth Lancashire Joseph Whalley abt 1847 Longridge, Lancashire, England Head Farnworth Lancashire Joseph Whalley abt 1884 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Son Farnworth Lancashire Margret A Whalley abt 1882 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Daughter Farnworth Lancashire Maria Whalley abt 1880 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Daughter Farnworth Lancashire Mary A Whalley abt 1878 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Daughter Farnworth Lancashire Mary A Whalley abt 1890 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Daughter Farnworth Lancashire William Whalley abt 1874 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Son Farnworth Lancashire

1881: Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Joseph WHALLEY Head M Male 34 Alston, Lancashire, England Laborer At Gas Works Elizabeth WHALLEY Wife M Female 28 Marple, Cheshire, England Cotton Weaver William WHALLEY Son Male 7 Blackburn, Lancashire, England Scholar James WHALLEY Son Male 5 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Scholar Mary A. WHALLEY Daur Female 3 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Maria WHALLEY Daur Female 1 Farnworth, Lancashire, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 10 Middle St Census Place Farnworth, Lancashire, England Rose

Gail, That is my family, Fiona, It appears to be the right family but I am confused to there being two Marys. Thank you ladies. Gail

1891. Living next door to Mary Whalley. Alice Dudley abt 1886 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Daughter Farnworth Lancashire Ann Dudley abt 1862 Kearsley, Lancashire, England Wife Farnworth Lancashire Edward Dudley abt 1863 Wrexham, Denbighshire, Wales Head Farnworth Lancashire John Hy Speakman abt 1882 Farnworth, Lancashire, England Son Farnworth Lancashire Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1886 (97%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DUDLEY Edward Bolton 8c 328 Speakman Ann Bolton 8c 328

1901: Name: Joseph Whalley Age: 54 Estimated birth year: abt 1847 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Longridge, Devon, England Civil parish: Farnworth Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas Town: Farnworth County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Bolton Sub-registration district: Farnworth ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 262 Household Members: Name Age Ann Whalley 6 Elizabeth Whalley 48 Elizabeth Whalley 15 Joseph Whalley 54 Joseph Whalley 17 Margaret A Whalley 19 Maria Whalley 21 Mary A Whalley 11 Rose