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I am finally biting the bullet and researching my paternal grandmothers line after 12 years! My paternal grandmother Lilian Alice Maud Brown was born 15th Sept 1901 at 128 Clive Road, Kingston, Portsmouth to John James Brown and Caroline Taylor. (not at that address on 1901 census), fathers occupation given as town postman. I have the marriage certificate for John and Caroline, 27th Mar 1899 at Emsworth, county of Southampton. John is given as age 26, batchelor, Corporal Royal Irish Rifles (no service number), from Gosport, father Robert Steward Forbes Brown late Bandmaster. Caroline is given as age 26, Spinster from Emsworth, father George Taylor, greengrocer. Witnesss’s were Henry Taylor and Nellie Taylor, possibly siblings? I am unable to find any of them on the 1901 census, I appreciate that John Brown may be serving away from home on census night, but where are the others? Being fairly common names, and no idea where they originated I’m stuck, anyone any ideas? Keith

I found this Henry Taylor (could be witness), in the 1901 census, living Emsworth, with a father called George who is a fruiterer and greengrocer:- Name: Henry Taylor Age: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871 Relation: Son Father's name: George Mother's name: Amelia Gender: Male Where born: Sussex, England, Sussex, England Civil Parish: Warblington Ecclesiastical parish: Emsworth St James Town: Emsworth County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: 30 High Street Occupation: Dealer (Greengrocer) Condition as to marriage: Single Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Havant Sub-registration district: Havant ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 56 Household Members: Name Age Florence Miller 11 - visitor Alice Taylor 21 Alice Taylor 23 - daughter-in-law to head Amelia Taylor 63 Arthur Taylor 25 Elsie Taylor 2 - granddaughter to head George Taylor 68 Henry Taylor 30 Lily Taylor 4 - granddaughter to head Winifred Taylor 1 - granddaughter to head Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 977; Folio: 87; Page: 9 Kath. x

Thanks Kath, will take a look at the image, why could I not see that! Thats probably the break to finding Caroline earlier.

Also found Ellen A. Taylor in Emsworth (Could this be Nellie). SHe is matron of a hospital, and the other people in the household don't appear to be relatives:- Name: Ellen A Taylor Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: London, England Civil Parish: Warblington Ecclesiastical parish: St James Town: Emsworth County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Street address: Victoria Cottage Hospital, North Street Occupation: Hospital Nurse Matron Condition as to marriage: Single Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Havant Sub-registration district: Havant ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Olive Astrell 27 Mary A Dowdy 41 Harriet Makepeace 34 Jane Marsh 55 Arthur J Norton 29 Victor Smith 7 Ellen A Taylor 35 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 977; Folio: 109; Page: 6 Kath. x

Thanks again Kath, will go looking for them on earlier census.

This is just a possibility for some of the family in 1891:- Name: Amelia Taylor Age: 53 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George Gender: Female Where born: Sussex, England (Sussex, England), Sussex (Sussex), England (England) Civil Parish: Westbourne Ecclesiastical parish: Southbourne Town: Hermitage County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Westbourne Sub-registration district: Westbourne ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Taylor 10 Amelia Taylor 53 Arthur Taylor 15 Ellen Taylor 16 George Taylor 57 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 850; Folio 70; Page 9 Kath. x

Here's the same family in 1881 (including Caroline):- Name: Amelia Taylor Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: George Gender: Female Where born: Sussex, England (Sussex, England), Sussex (Sussex), England (England) Civil Parish: Westbourne County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street address: Hermitage Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Westbourne Sub-registration district: Westbourne ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice M.M. Taylor Amelia Taylor 43 Arthur Taylor 5 Caroline Taylor 9 Eliza Taylor 20 Ellen Taylor 6 George Taylor 47 Henry Taylor 13 Kate Taylor 11 Walter Taylor 15 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1135; Folio: 99; Page: 9 Kath. x

Thats brilliant, thanks Kath, so got to be them. Wondering about John James Brown though, father sounds scottish to me, if so why did he join the irish rifles!

Here's the source information for 1871:- Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1124; Folio: 98; Page: 9 Kath. x

Not sure about John. Perhaps he joined one regiment and then moved to another. I'm afraid I have to go now - family want lunch. Good luck. Kath. x

Thanks again Kath, got the images now, off to look for Carolines birth!

Hi Keith Bit of a long shot, but there is this family on the 1871. Robert is a soldier Name: Robert Brown Age: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ellen Where born: Beccles, Suffolk Civil Parish: Farnborough County: Hampshire Registration district: Hartley Wintney Sub-registration district: Farnborough ED, institution, or vessel: Battalion 2, Regiment 9, Depot 2 Battallion and Regiment 10 Household Members: Ellen Brown 19 born Ireland James Robert Brown 6 months born Aldershot Robert Brown 31 Christine

Thanks Christine, will take a look at that Keith

I don't think it's the right family - found them on 1891, father Robert is a labourer, in North of England, no sign of John James with him.

Thanks Christine, have put them aside at the moment, will take another look later.

looks like his father must have married again Robert Stewart F Brown 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester Hampshire Charlotte Kersley 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester Hampshire Thomas Manser 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester Hampshire Elizabeth Wilkins 1890 Jan-Feb-Mar Winchester Hampshire Name: Robert Stewart F Brown Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Winchester County: Hampshire Volume: 2c Page: 163

Thanks again Christine, had seen that, but cannot find him on 1891 census either, have to take another look, dont know whats wrong with me today, cant see anything!

It's not just you Keith. I can't see either of them on 1901 or 1891. I've tried just looking for a Charlotte Brown/Elizabeth Brown - in Winchester area, 1891 - nichts, nada, nothing!

I think I may just send for that marriage certificate, being such an unusual full name I suspect it has got to be him, and hope his occupation is bandmaster!