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thank you so so so so much xx

Yep - exactly. I think it's the right family as James (Snr) is a Carman in 1881 and 1891.

ok brilliant did you mean inmate age 11 james was in 1881 census under bunky? error on surname then?

Oh, he's brother in law :)

thank you was david in the 1881 maslin a lodger or family member?

He's the baby in 1881 :)

Name: Susan Maslin Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Daughter Father's name: William Mother's name: Eliza Gender: Female Where Born: Rotherhithe, Surrey, England Civil parish: Deptford St Paul County/Island: London Country: England Street address: 66 Goodson Rd Education: Employment status: View image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Greenwich Sub registration district: St Paul Deptford ED, institution, or vessel: 33 William Maslin 46 Eliza Maslin 43 Eliza Maslin 3 Jane Maslin 19 Henry Maslin 17 George Maslin 17 Susan Maslin 13 Hannah Maslin 8 David Maslin 5 Charles Maslin 1 David Bodding 27

not sure who the james banks 1891 inmate woul be aged 11

can you post 1881 for susan maslin if you have it saves me asking later thanks soooo much to u all x

1891 Name: James Banks Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation: Inmate Gender: Male Where Born: Walworth, London, England Civil parish: St Mary Kalender Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Winchester Sub registration district: Winchester ED, institution, or vessel: 6 An Industrial School

i have the marriage cert of susan she was 20 at time of marriage and was a spinster however James was 27 and is stated as a bachelor however he may of told a little porky as i have been told he was married before. The children in the 1891 cenus are definetly James's children but not susans perhaps il get a childs birth and see what it states.

Susan was still living at home in 1881 with her parents, and no sign of a Rose(ina). I'd go with them being James' from a previous marriage.

Are you sure the children were not Susan's and took the name of Banks when she married James ? I have had this happen in my tree. Looked for a previous marriage, when they were really step-children of the Head... Do you know if she was a spinster ( Susan ) when they got married ? Just a thought. Debbie O'

You can see the IGI for free at familysearch.org The BMD index doesn't give MMN until 1912 :(

This birth could be a possibility:- Name: Rosina Banks Year of Registration: 1878 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: St Saviour Southwark County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 118 Kath. x

Possible death for Charlotte and birth for Rosina. Deaths Dec 1887 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Banks Charlotte 30 Camberwell 1d 547 Births Sep 1878 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Banks Rosina St.Saviour 1d 118 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1879 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Banks Rosina St. Olave 1d 218

There are these four people all on the same page for a marriage in 1877:- Matthew Bailey 1877 Apr-May-Jun St Saviour Southwark London, Surrey James Banks 1877 Apr-May-Jun St Saviour Southwark London, Surrey Charlotte Hill 1877 Apr-May-Jun St Saviour Southwark London, Surrey Rosa Hillyard 1877 Apr-May-Jun St Saviour Southwark London, Surrey Just wondered if he could have married Rosa Hillyard, since his eldest child is called Rosina. Your best bet would be to try to find the birth certificate of one of the children which would give the mother's name. Kath. x

perhaps if i find the birth for rosina 1878 ish will that say MMN or can someone check BIVRI or igi?

yep i just saw that one there is also a Rosa Hillyard same month and year same ref even

A possible.... Marriages Jun 1877 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Banks James St. Saviour 1d 35 Hill Charlotte St. Saviour 1d 35