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Trying to track down my gg grandmother Sarah Hoyle. She abandoned my g grandfather (he was illegitimate) and never appears on any census with him (he was born in 1878). All I know is that she was called Sarah Hoyle and that she married someone by the name of Wrathall. I have found a marriage for a Sarah Hoyle to a John Wrathall in Skipton, March quarter 1883,. This is the right geographic area – I know they lived in Keighley but don’t know when. If someone has the time to check out this couple on the 1891/1901, I’d be grateful Fingers crossed Carole

1891 in Cowling which sits nicely with the Skipton and Keighley connection though one of the daughters would have been born before the marriage Edward Wrathall abt 1885 Cowling, Yorkshire, England Son Cowling Yorkshire View Record John Wrathall abt 1859 Westhouse, Yorkshire, England Head Cowling Yorkshire View Record Mary A Wrathall abt 1883 Silsden, Yorkshire, England Daughter Cowling Yorkshire View Record Rose E Wrathall abt 1880 Haworth, Yorkshire, England Daughter Cowling Yorkshire View Record Sarah Wrathall abt 1858 Ovenden, Yorkshire, England Wife Cowling Yorkshire View Record Willie Wrathall abt 1887 Cowling, Yorkshire, England Son Cowling Yorkshire

Thanks Jenny, could be her - I like the Haworth connection as this also keeps cropping up in the story - via my g grandgfathers adoptive parents Carole

In 1901 they are in Keighley Doris Mitchell abt 1897 Heaton, Yorkshire, England Niece Keighley Yorkshire View Record John Wrathall abt 1860 Westhouse, Yorkshire, England Head Keighley Yorkshire View Record Marg A Wrathall abt 1883 Cowling, Yorkshire, England Daughter Keighley Yorkshire View Record Rose H Wrathall abt 1880 Haworth, Yorkshire, England Daughter Keighley Yorkshire View Record Sarah Wrathall abt 1859 Ovenden, Yorkshire, England Wife Keighley Yorkshire View Record Willie Wrathall abt 1887 Cowling, Yorkshire, England Son Keighley Yorkshire

Thanks again Jenny Rose might not be sarah's daughter Wonder if John was married before? G granndfather has a surviving daughter, these names might jolt her memory. Carole

There are other Sarah's in Yorkshire - in 1891 there is a Sarah in Steeton (between Skipton and Keighley) but she is married to Joseph (I think - forgotten now!! - certainly wasn't John). Do you know enough about her age and their birthplaces to think that this is them? I can look some more if you like. Jenny :-)

No jenny, that's the whole problem. On my g grandfather's birth cert there is only her name, no age, profession etc. I think I might check backwards to the 1881 to see what this particular Sarah was up to then - presuming I've got the right couple - I'm working more through a process of elimination/trying to find straws to clutch at Carole

There is this death which would fit with your theory of Rose being the daughter of a first wife (if they were married!) Deaths Mar 1882 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Wrathall Mary Alice 20 Keighley 9a 150

Strike that!! Rose is Sarah's daughter - here they are in 1881 in Bracewell. Rose Ellen Hoyle abt 1880 Howorth, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bracewell Yorkshire Sarah Hoyle abt 1857 Ovenden, Yorkshire, England Head Bracewell Yorkshire

Hmm Just checked out the 1881 on the LDS site: this is the only John Wrathall I can find Edward WRATHALL Head M Male 58 Bentham, York, England Carter Sarah Agnes WRATHALL Wife M Female 53 Priest Hutton P Wharton, Westmorland, England John WRATHALL Son U Male 21 Bentham, York, England Cart Wright Mary Alice WRATHALL Daur U Female 19 Steeton Kildwick, York, England Worsted Weaver Ann WRATHALL Daur Female 13 Steeton Kildwick, York, England Scholar Francis WRATHALL Son Male 11 Steeton Kildwick, York, England Scholar Minnie STENTON Boarder Female 6 Steeton Kildwick, York, England Scholar Elizabeth BROWN Daur M Female 24 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Worsted Weaver Henry BROWN Grand Son Male 1 Steeton Kildwick, York, England Carry BROWN Grand Daur Female 1 m Steeton Kildwick, York, England The reason I like this one is because my Mum says sarah married someone by the name of Cartwright. I know this isn't true but look at this John's profession. Do you think this is the same John as on the other census? do you know where Bentham is? Carole

Brilliant Jenny Looks like we're on the right track.. thank you, thank you :-)))))))

You've cracked it!! John is a 'wheelwright' in 1891! Bentham is reasonable - it is further up the dales, above Settle, near the Lancashire border. Westhouse is just a few miles away and probably would be registered as Bentham (in Settle RD). The family may well have moved from here for work.

Oh Jenny I've gone all tingly, I'm so chuffed! Wait till I tell the rest of the family that Sarah was a very naughty girl and had two children over t'broom. Carole

1861 - they have already moved to Steeton Agnes Wrathall abt 1826 Warton, Lancashire, England Wife Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Edward Wrathall abt 1822 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire, England Head Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Elizabeth Wrathall abt 1856 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record James Wrathall abt 1852 Melling, Lancashire, England Son Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Jane E Wrathall abt 1851 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire, England Daughter Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record John Wrathall abt 1860 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire, England Son Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Joseph Wrathall abt 1849 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire, England Son Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record William Wrathall abt 1854 Melling, Lancashire, England Son Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire

In 1871 Agnes Wrathall abt 1828 Thornton in Lonsdale, Westmorland, England Wife Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Alice Wrathall abt 1862 Kildwick, Yorkshire, England Daughter Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Ann Wrathall abt 1868 Kildwick, Yorkshire, England Daughter Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Edward Wrathall abt 1823 Thronton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire, England Head Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Elizabeth Wrathall abt 1856 Liverpool, Lancashire, England Daughter Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Francis Wrathall abt 1870 Kildwick, Yorkshire, England Son Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record James Wrathall abt 1852 Melling, Lancashire, England Son Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Jane E Wrathall abt 1851 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire, England Daughter Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record John Wrathall abt 1860 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire, England Son Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record Joseph Wrathall abt 1849 Thornton in Lonsdale, Yorkshire, England Son Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire View Record William Wrathall abt 1854 Melling, Lancashire, England Son Steeton with Eastburn Yorkshire

Glad you've found them! You probably don't want all that stuff on Wrathall's I've just remembered they aren't the connection!! Got a bit too excited there!! She was a bit naughty wasn't she!! What happened to your gr grandfather? Who did he live with? Happy Hunting Jenny :-)

Thanks Jenny Can I also bother you for Sarah pre 1881 if possible I've been wondering about her for 5 yeas now - wasn't till I inherited a photo of her recently and it had the name 'grandma and grandpa wrathall' on the back that the penny dropped. I'd been looking for Sarah Cartwrights! Carole

Carol - I'll come back. I have to put the children to bed now but will have a look for Sarah pre 1881 ASAP!! Jenny

Ah g grandad was a mystery man. He's on the 1881 census (John Hoyle born 1878 Gisburn/Paythorne) living with a couple called William and Jane Firth. He's down as 'nephew' but as we know this doesn't necesarily mean he was. He's still with them in 1891 - down as 'adopted son'. By 1901 he's taken up the name 'John Firth''. . I have a newspaper article on him - he was one of the first esperantists in which he tells a cock and bull story about his father being killed in abysinnia - he could tell a good story. Incidentally, the Firths retired to Haworth. There is also a family story that someone in the family was educated by Charlotte Bronte at her village school in Haworth. Carole