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Cheers ! It ALL helps ... process of ellimination. Benjamins Mum sure did get around girls !! lol ! The only thing I have noticed is that she did SEEM to be married before having the children. This leads me to believe that she DID marry James McL Henderson ........ and I am at the point now that I really do think they MAY have married onboard ship ....... but WHERE you find the indexes for those marriages beats me !! I WILL find out ! The other thing to consider is that James was NOT deceased in 1949 .... Benjamin just believed that ! when he got married. Chances are that the father also married again .......or went back to his first wife (if indeed he had been married at the time ! Elaine ;-)

Have either of you thought of sending off for James's Naval records ? You have the details of his Occupation etc and the name of the ship he was working on. Maybe his service records would shed some lite on his situation ? Elaine ;-)

hi tracey.......... and everyone who is helping i have found a marriage in 1918 for janes mclean henderson still waiting to view it but could this be round about the right time the he married. will get back to you with details....

Could be Sarah !!! I've just started checking all 1918 ... ! missed that one babe ! What qtr is it in ? ...... and did you notice the spouses name ?? Mega news !!! Elaine ;-)

elaine it just says april / may / june still waiting for file to open to see spouse my comp takes ages lol............. knowing my look it wont be the right one. just have to wait sarah

I'll take a look ......

I've just checked the beta records for AMJ 1918...I can't see a James etc....... Reg

James Henderson marriages. June qtr 1918 Spouse surname = Massey (Manchester) = Ling, (Barrow Furness) = Langton (Middleboro) = Tellefsen? (Stockport) then goes on to Jane Henderson marriages. No McL mentioned babe ... sorry. We have searched 1915 onwards upto 1925........ the ONLY James McL Henderson marriage is the one that Reg found in 1915 to a Vera Mathews. I also checked for Florence Monday marriages upto and including Dec 1920 ....only 1 result, that was to a Frederick Surey in Dec 1920. Tracey: Who actually registered the birth of Benjamin please ? was it Mum ? Elaine ;-)

Wednesday night is *family night* in this house. I'll be offline for a few hours at least. MAY be back later - after 10pm ish - or I'll be back first thing tomorrow ! CARRY ON WITHOUT ME ! C U L8R Elaine ;-)

Searched the online Naval records at the National Archives from 1900-1905, off course I don't know how complete this is but they only had one James Henderson joining in 1928. There was no James Mclean Henderson either before or after. This is the one who joined 1905. Description Name Henderson, James Official Number: M36715 Place of Birth: Kendal, Westmorland Date 16 November 1905 Catalogue reference ADM 188/1091 Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Series Admiralty: Registers of Seamen's Services Piece 36501-37000 Image contains 1 item for the catalogue reference

Elaine. The person that reg benjamin thomas henderson, was mum florence(on the cert)..... Tracey

Tracey I seem to remember asking you the same question...........so, as the mother registered the birth, there is, in fact, no proof as to who the father was. It doesn't get any clearer, does it? Reg

Yes Reg You Did, it dosnt does it, What do you think about, If i look up the death for fredrick surey see if he died just before the henderson so called came along. Just a thought it may have been one of the many marrages this lady had. I really dont know which angle to take now, I have sore marks on the top of my head where i keep rubbing it with all the confusionLOL Tracey

i have looked and looked............... and the only thing i have found is a james mclean henderson born 1894 in bradford thats all i have found clutching at straws i think sarah

hI Elaine. just to let you know will be off line from now until about 3.30 tomorrow, due to what we discussed last nite, In case you have any more questions,(i wont be ignoring you just off line) Traceyxxx

Ooohh Sarah ! What's this you have found !!?? Isn't Braford in Yorkshire - same as Halifax ?? COULD be something promising !! I'll have a look back along the family line, see if the name Benjamin jumps out anywhere !! Elaine ;-) Well done !

Bradford is not very far from Halifax at all, so if it's right, it's a definite possible :) *pokes nose in again* can't find him in 1901 though....

Hi Elaine, I checked 1894 after I saw Sarah's message and could find NO birth, had to look one quarter up on 1837 as the page was missing from Ancestry..........still no James Mclean Henderson. Fiona.

A quick post before i have to go out Re- James m Henderson 1894 Bradford lookled on ramily rellies site for the same as sarah found all i can see is-- James henderson--1894 1st qtr alowick james albert henderson 1894 1st qtr morpeth james edwin henderson 1894 1 st qtr tavistock james joseph henderson 1894 1 stqtr auckland james william henderson 1894 1st qtr sunderland --------------------------------------------- james phillips henderson 1897 3rd qtr-s shields james ritchie henderson 1897 3rd qtr-bramley james thomas henderson 1894 3rd qtr-darlington -------------------------------------------- No sign of a james m henderson though. Tracey

Hi girls, 'fraid I came to the same conclusion re births ... none with middle initial M. Checked 1901, and yes, there are a couple of James Henderson's born around the 1896 time but no way of knowing if he's one of them. Definately NEED to find the marriage IF there is one ( which - don't ask me why - I believe their IS one somewhere ! ?? ) I think, that, for now, you have hit a definate brick wall, on the Henderson side. If they did marry ... there MAY be divorce papers somewhere ? ... never been down this road before, so this need's someone else's intervention. Has anyone checked for a death prior to her second marriage ? look 9 months before Benjamin was born and search upto the qtr in which she got married 2nd time ! I'll keep him in mind and if anything comes up, I'll let you know my thoughts. Elaine ;-)