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Hi Can anybody please help me find this family in the 1851 census John Crowder c1846 Hawarden Flint James Crowder c1842 Hawarden Flint Thomas Crowder c 1843 Hawarden Flint Father John crowder, Mother Ann nee Griffiths regards June ***** Update got birth cert of James he was born in Mancott Flintshire

Hi I have James in 1881, 1891, 1901 Census still looking for the rest of them regards June

Hi June did Hawarden come under Cheshire if so when I am next at the library I will look on the 1851 Cheshire for you. brenda x

Hi June Do you know the fathers Occupation? Lesley

Hi Brenda, thank you for your kind offer think it did regards June

Hi Lesley, Father was a Boiler maker so was Thomas on his Marriage Cert. Brother James is boilermaker on census regards June

Hi June I have had a look on 1861/1871 Have found A John,A James & A Thomas with similar abt birth yrs but the parents are not right.. Father is Thomas Mother is Ellen. Civil Parish Oxton Cheshire. Regards Lesley :~)

hi Lesley, thank you for looking it is not them , I have thomas marriage cert and John is his Father kind regards June

Ok Sorry its not them June Do you want me to do any other looks ups? Just popping asda...let me know if you want me do any more.. Regards Lesley :~)

hi Lesley, Thank you for offer can you find anything on Mother Anne Crowder c1816 Hawarden Flint maiden name Griffiths Married Father John 1840 Liverpool kind regards June ps Thomas Married Ann Gorton 1863 Liverpool but was not with family on 1861 census

Hi June I justgot back. Will go take a look see if I find anything for you Have you got any census's of these people? Regards Lesley :~)

is this Ann in 1861 Ann Crowder abt 1812 Halkin, Flintshire, Wales Head Liverpool Lancashire William H Johnstone abt 1838 Tarporley, Cheshire, England Apprentice Liverpool Lancashire Herbert Pearce abt 1841 Market Drayton, Shropshire, England Apprentice Liverpool Lancashire ** marked married and 'head absent' on the image - just what you dont want!

Hi Lesley, Only census i have are the ones i have mentioned on James regards June

Hi Jess, thank you for look up , What address in Liverpool regards June ps Do you think they could of been away at sea as Father and two sons are Boilermakers

Hi June Found these for you Name: CROWDER, James Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1842 District: Great Boughton County: Cheshire Flintshire Volume: 19 Page: 56 James Was Christened 20th Nov 1842 Name: Crowder, John Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1847 District: Great Boughton County: Cheshire Flintshire Volume: 19 Page: 55 JOHN CROWDER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 17 JAN 1847 Hawarden, Flint, Great Boughton Created 1st July 1837. Abolished 1st January 1870 (renamed Chester). Mainly in Cheshire, but included parts of Flintshire. Sub-districts : Castle Division; Cathedral Division; Great Boughton; Hawarden; Tattenhall. GRO volumes : XIX (1837-51), 8a (1852-69). Lesley

Dont know if you got the date for this so here it is Name: CROWDER, John Name: GRIFFITHS, Ann Record Type: Marriages Quarter: 27 th December Year: 1840 Place: St.Nicholas District: Liverpool (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 266 Name: Crowder Thomas NAme: Gorton Ann Record type: Marriage Date: 16 Nov 1863 Place: St.Nicholas District: Liverpool County: Lancashire Lesley

June I think this might be thomas's wife.. what do you think? Name: Crowder, sarah ANN Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 67 Quarter: September Year: 1907 District: Birkenhead County: Cheshire Merseyside Volume: 8a Page: 260 Think this might be Thomas.. Name: CROWDER, Thomas Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 64 Quarter: June Year: 1908 District: Birkenhead County: Cheshire Merseyside Volume: 8a Page: 302 Birkenhead Created 1st August 1861 (out of Wirral district). Sub-districts : Birkenhead; Tranmere; Wallasey. GRO volumes : 8a (1861-1930). Bidston cum Ford, Birkenhead, Claughton cum Grange, Liscard, Noctorum, Oxton, Poulton cum Seacombe, Rock Ferry (from 1898), Tranmere, Wallasey. Registers now in Wirral district. Lesley

Think I Might have found one of Thomas & Ann Gorton children JOHN CROWDER Male Event(s): Birth: 16 JAN 1867 Christening: 29 JAN 1867 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: THOMAS CROWDER Mother: ANN

Hi Lesley , thank you so much you are on a roll lol that is Johns and James Births but Ann Crowder nee Gorton married again in 1880 to Richard Wood her Children are with Richard on 1881 census dont know where she is. There is a Thomas born 1843 died 1878 so i think its him as last child born 1876 this is my G G Grandad thank you for everything June

Is this Ann? ANNE GORTON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 26 JUL 1846 Saint Paul Saint Pauls Square, Liverpool, Lancashire Parents: Father: JAMES GORTON Mother: ANNE Lesley Ps.I just added James Christening dates on his birth info message and now just added John's