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Hi Lesley, Got birth cert today James was born Mancott looked and it is part of Flintshire like Hawarden so back to sqaure one and his dad is John Crowder and his Mother was Ann Griffiths regards June

Great June Yes please let me know when you get it and update me Best wishes Lesley

hi Lesley, Ordered James birth cert despach date 21 july will let you know how i get on kind regards June

Hi Lesley , will you do me one favour please will you look at the Thomas Crowder born 1843 died 1878 think it could be him, once again thanks for all you have done for me regards June

Hi June I have just put Thomas Christening on we writing at same time I think lol Glad I could help I was getting right into that then lol I have just started with Ancestry so having lots of funlol I will stop now or you wont have anything to do yourself lol Best wishes Happy Hunting If you want any more give me a shout Lesley :~)

Hi Lesley , I will sent for James Birth cert to get his Father John No sign of Thomas yet thank you for everything you have found i thought i had them once but got Richards [thomas son] marriage cert and had the wrong father hope you understand me lol June

Hi Lesley, Thanks thats her June

Sorry lol Here is Thomas's THOMAS CROWDER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 24 DEC 1843 Hawarden, Flint,Wales

Is this Ann? ANNE GORTON - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Female Christening: 26 JUL 1846 Saint Paul Saint Pauls Square, Liverpool, Lancashire Parents: Father: JAMES GORTON Mother: ANNE Lesley Ps.I just added James Christening dates on his birth info message and now just added John's

Hi Lesley , thank you so much you are on a roll lol that is Johns and James Births but Ann Crowder nee Gorton married again in 1880 to Richard Wood her Children are with Richard on 1881 census dont know where she is. There is a Thomas born 1843 died 1878 so i think its him as last child born 1876 this is my G G Grandad thank you for everything June

Think I Might have found one of Thomas & Ann Gorton children JOHN CROWDER Male Event(s): Birth: 16 JAN 1867 Christening: 29 JAN 1867 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England Parents: Father: THOMAS CROWDER Mother: ANN

June I think this might be thomas's wife.. what do you think? Name: Crowder, sarah ANN Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 67 Quarter: September Year: 1907 District: Birkenhead County: Cheshire Merseyside Volume: 8a Page: 260 Think this might be Thomas.. Name: CROWDER, Thomas Record Type: Deaths Age at death: 64 Quarter: June Year: 1908 District: Birkenhead County: Cheshire Merseyside Volume: 8a Page: 302 Birkenhead Created 1st August 1861 (out of Wirral district). Sub-districts : Birkenhead; Tranmere; Wallasey. GRO volumes : 8a (1861-1930). Bidston cum Ford, Birkenhead, Claughton cum Grange, Liscard, Noctorum, Oxton, Poulton cum Seacombe, Rock Ferry (from 1898), Tranmere, Wallasey. Registers now in Wirral district. Lesley

Dont know if you got the date for this so here it is Name: CROWDER, John Name: GRIFFITHS, Ann Record Type: Marriages Quarter: 27 th December Year: 1840 Place: St.Nicholas District: Liverpool (1837-1924) County: Lancashire Volume: 20 Page: 266 Name: Crowder Thomas NAme: Gorton Ann Record type: Marriage Date: 16 Nov 1863 Place: St.Nicholas District: Liverpool County: Lancashire Lesley

Hi June Found these for you Name: CROWDER, James Record Type: Births Quarter: December Year: 1842 District: Great Boughton County: Cheshire Flintshire Volume: 19 Page: 56 James Was Christened 20th Nov 1842 Name: Crowder, John Record Type: Births Quarter: March Year: 1847 District: Great Boughton County: Cheshire Flintshire Volume: 19 Page: 55 JOHN CROWDER - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 17 JAN 1847 Hawarden, Flint, Great Boughton Created 1st July 1837. Abolished 1st January 1870 (renamed Chester). Mainly in Cheshire, but included parts of Flintshire. Sub-districts : Castle Division; Cathedral Division; Great Boughton; Hawarden; Tattenhall. GRO volumes : XIX (1837-51), 8a (1852-69). Lesley

Hi Jess, thank you for look up , What address in Liverpool regards June ps Do you think they could of been away at sea as Father and two sons are Boilermakers

Hi Lesley, Only census i have are the ones i have mentioned on James regards June

is this Ann in 1861 Ann Crowder abt 1812 Halkin, Flintshire, Wales Head Liverpool Lancashire William H Johnstone abt 1838 Tarporley, Cheshire, England Apprentice Liverpool Lancashire Herbert Pearce abt 1841 Market Drayton, Shropshire, England Apprentice Liverpool Lancashire ** marked married and 'head absent' on the image - just what you dont want!

Hi June I justgot back. Will go take a look see if I find anything for you Have you got any census's of these people? Regards Lesley :~)

hi Lesley, Thank you for offer can you find anything on Mother Anne Crowder c1816 Hawarden Flint maiden name Griffiths Married Father John 1840 Liverpool kind regards June ps Thomas Married Ann Gorton 1863 Liverpool but was not with family on 1861 census

Ok Sorry its not them June Do you want me to do any other looks ups? Just popping asda...let me know if you want me do any more.. Regards Lesley :~)