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She was Matilda Phoenix born 1883 wrexham.Father? Mother ? Sister Sarah Brothers Joe and Bob also one other brother died of head injury????She married ????? Yates and had 3 children,Tommy, Jeanette (May),and Joe. probably living in lancashire.Then married John Millington had 3 more children Jack, Margaret and Ida after moving to Rotherham South Yorkshire, where they remained untill they died,John 1953. Matilda 1970.Only one child still remaining,that is my mother Ida born Rotherham 02/05/1923 Any info on any of the above would be great. THANKS SHEILA

This is the ref for her birth cert, which will have her parents names: Name: PHOENIX, Matilda Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1883 District: Wrexham (1837-1974) County: Cheshire Denbighshire Flintshire Volume: 11b Page: 266 And here's her marriage, to John Yates: Phoenix, Matilda 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367 Yates, John 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367

Have possible familyon 1891 census. Will list on here. Send me your Email if you want image Tricia

Found possible birth record Name: PHOENIX, Matilda Record Type: Births Quarter: September Year: 1883 District: Wrexham (1837-1974) County: Cheshire Denbighshire Flintshire Volume: 11b Page: 266 1891 Census Phoenix, Eliza A 31 Leigh, Lancashire Wife Westleigh Lancashire Phoenix, Joseph 39 Wrexham, Wales Head Westleigh Lancashire Phoenix, Joseph 9 Wrexham, Wales Son Westleigh Lancashire Phoenix, Margaret 14 Wrexham, Wales Daughter Westleigh Lancashire Phoenix, Matilda 7 Wrexham, Wales Daughter Westleigh Lancashire Phoenix, Robert 11 Wrexham, Wales Son Westleigh Lancashire Hope this helps

1891 census Joseph Phoenix Head age 39 coal miner born Wrexham Eliza A Wife age 31 born Wrexham Margaret Dau age 14 born Wrexham Matilda Dau age 7 born Wrexham Joseph Son age 9 born Wrexham Robert Son age 11 Spinning room Hand born Wrexham Margaret Hampson Step dau age 9 born Leigh Lancs John Hampson Step son age 6 born Leigh, Lancs Living 2 Yates Street Westleigh Lancs Tricia

Well, well, well fastest finger first.

Here's Joseph & Eliza's marriage: Hampson, Eliza Ann 1889 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 359 PHOENIX, Joseph 1889 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 359 Therefore - Eliza is probably not Matilda's mother!!

Matilda's marriageName Year Quarter District County Volume Page LITTLER, Walter 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367 McCarthy, Minnie 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367 Phoenix, Matilda 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367 Yates, John 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367 Isn't this exciting ..and the next one is??????? -

In 1901 Matilda is boarding with Charles Croston(?) and family in Leigh. Email if you want image - it's a big family and I type very slowly Tricia

1881 -- now this could be Matilda's mother!! Joseph PHOENIX Head M Male 28 Gwersyllt, Denbigh, Wales Coalminer Matilda PHOENIX Wife M Female 29 Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales Sarah J. PHOENIX Daur Female 7 Gwersyllt, Denbigh, Wales Scholar Margaret PHOENIX Daur Female 4 Broughton, Denbigh, Wales Robert PHOENIX Son Male 1 Broughton, Denbigh, Wales Manuel PRICE Boarder U Male 35 Ruabon, Denbigh, Wales Coalminer Source Information: Dwelling Railway Cott Rhosddu Census Place Stansty, Denbigh, Wales Family History Library Film 1342327 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5520 / 118 Page Number 28

Yes, quite agree. Looks as though they both brought children to a second marriage.

Have found what could be first marriage of Joseph Phoenix Qrt ending Dec 1872 Wrexham 11b 677 No female on page but cross referenced with all Matilda's married same time and with same ref and found this: Qrt ending Dec1872 Wrexham 11b 677 Matilda Roberts This should be your Matilda'smother.

If Matilda Roberts was her full maiden name, then this looks like her birth reference: Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page --------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1852 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ROBERTS Matilda Wrexham 11b 309 Matilda (jnr)'s sister's marriage: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ------------------------------------------------------------ Marriages Mar 1896 ------------------------------------------------ Laycock Anson Leigh 8c 331 Marsh John Leigh 8c 331 Phoenix Sarah Jane Leigh 8c 331 And her brother's: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1899 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Atkinson James Leigh 8c 333 Brindle Margaret Leigh 8c 333 Phoenix Robert Leigh 8c 333 Roberts Hannah Jane Leigh 8c 333

If you send for Joseph's first marriage cert you will get both father'snames and they can be checked against 1871 census. At moment I can only find one Joseph Phoenix of correct age and he is a boarder but birthplace is given as Poolmouth so can't be sure it is him. Can't find death of first Matilda Phoenix - needs to be checked against 1837 online Tricia

on the 1901, Joseph gives his place of birth as "Rhas Robin wales", could be a mistranscription but thought I'd show it anyway! Robert married Margaret Brindle. They have one daughter on the 1901, name of Sarah Phoenix. Have brother Joseph Phoenix with them, aged 19, born in Wrexham.

Sorry for intruding ... but I have to say.... YOU ALL DESERVE A MEDAL ! Elaine :-)

Well said, Elaine, but where is Sheila?? Tricia

Nudge - does anyone what this inform??

Pat - apparently not :( I guess that's another one to add to the blacklist of ungrateful info requesters... shame really isn't it. Richard

The information is not for me but I thought you all did a great job!!! Pity it is not my family Pam