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sarah, sounds better?????????????????????? Sylvia

thank you so much for your help, she has been driving me made, i wonder why she put hannah on her marriage cert? sarah

Here are Battens registered in Newton Abbot between 1880 and 1888 a) names we have seen on a census Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Dec 1880 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BATTEN Thomas Newton A. 5b 123 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1882 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batten Emma Newton A 5b 129 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1884 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batten Annie Newton. A. 5b 127 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1885 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batten Richard James Newton A. 5b 126 b) Others ........ may or may not be the same family Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1881 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BATTEN Florence Giblett O Newton A. 5b 151 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1881 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BATTEN Arthur Owen Newton A. 5b 148 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1885 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batten Frederick William Newton A. 5b 160 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1886 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batten Elizabeth Newton A. 5b 128 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1887 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BATTEN Nellie Mary Newton A. 5b 126 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Sep 1887 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batten Ella Newton A. 5b 129 Sylvia

yes so that's his sister looking after his children for him and his dad is a copper minor, which is what william is in 1903, following in his fathers foot steps, sarah

There's this Annie registered Newton Abbot like Emma Births Mar 1884 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batten Annie Newton. A. 5b 127 Sylvia

Is this the connection between William Henry and Ellen? 1861 Census about William H Batten Name: William H Batten Age: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Maria Gender: Male Where born: Altarnun, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Altarnun County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Launceston Sub-registration district: Alternon ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 40 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Batten 10 b.ca 1851, Altarnun Emlin Batten 3 b.ca 1856, Altarnun Helen Batten 9 Mo b.ca 1860, Altarnun Maria Batten 38 b.ca 1823, Altarnun Mary Batten 8 b.ca 1853, Altarnun William Batten 35 b.ca 1826, Laneast, Cornwall, Copper Miner William H Batten 5 Address:- Trelin, Altarnun Sylvia I'll see if I can find an Annie/Hannah birth!

sorry to ask you have done so much all ready, have you come across a birth for that annie? as the one i had was for a annie in 1883 born plymouth. sarah

Thomas in 1901???? about Thomas Batten Name: Thomas Batten Age in 1901: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Elsington, Devon, England Civil Parish: Pontypridd Ecclesiastical parish: Llanwonno Town: Hopkinstown County/Island: Glamorgan Country: Wales Street address: View Image Condition as to marriage: View Image Education: View Image Employment status: View Image Occupation: View Image Registration district: Pontypridd Sub-registration district: Llanwonno ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 236 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Batten 20 Coal Miner Mary L Calvert 6 Edith Cornish 17 James Symons 51 Address:- 61 Tele Kebr (???) Rd Sylvia

??? Emma's birth? Newton Abbot is the registration centre ..... question is is this the registration centre for Isleton?? Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Births Jun 1882 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batten Emma Newton A 5b 129

ooooooh this is looking promising, looks like she did die,

Note we now have an Annie!! If she really was 21 when she got married in 1903, that would mean a birthdate of 1882 ...................... ca 1884 IS within the 2 year spread that one usually assumes possible on census information! Sylvia

Well, what do you think of this?? about Thomas Batten Name: Thomas Batten Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Nephew Gender: Male Where born: Isleton, Devon, England Civil Parish: Altarnun Ecclesiastical parish: Altarnun County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Street address: Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Launceston Sub-registration district: Altarnon ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Annie Batten 7 b.ca 1884, Isleton, Devon, Niece Blanch Batten 8 b.ca 1883, Isleton, Daughter-in-law Ellen Batten 29 b.ca 1862, Altarnun, Single, Housekeeper for Mother os-l (???) Emma A Batten 8 b.ca 1883, Isleton, Niece Richard Batten 6 b.ca 1885, Isleton, Nephew Thomas Batten 10 Nephew Sylvia

sssooooo many options, I need to find a birth do you think so i can figure out which one is mine,

Sorry to butt in, could this be Annie/Hannah Jane? Annie Batten Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Isleton, Devon, England Civil Parish: Altarnun Ecclesiastical parish: Altarnun County/Island: Cornwall Country: England Registration district: Launceston Sub-registration district: Altarnon ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Annie Batten 7 Blanch Batten 8 Ellen Batten 29 Emma A Batten 8 Richard Batten 6 Thomas Batten 10 Angela Emma & Richard are also niece & nephew to head.

Sarah, I'm just about to see if I can find any of them!! Sylvia

thanks for that i will keep that on file, If that was the case i wonder what happened to the other children?? Thanks folks

here's the amrriage for William Henry Batten and Henrietta Jane ................... for future reference If and when you find Anne/Hannah's birth, the mother's maiden name will be ont here, which will confirm or otherwise this supposition of mine!! Surname First name(s) District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Batten William Henry Tavistock 5b 620 Cole Henrietta Jane Tavistock 5b 620 - - - and Henrietta's death?? Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Dec 1887 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- BATTEN Henrietta Jane 32 Newton A 5b 91 Newton Abbot is in Devon Sylvia

This is interesting from the 1881 census Name almost correct Birth year same as on the 1901 Place of birth same as on the 1901 BUT ....... he's an agricultural labourer not a miner Unfortunately ................. it's before Anne/Hannah was born! about Wm.Henry Battin Name: Wm.Henry Battin Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Henrietta Jane Gender: Male Where born: Altarnun, Cornwall, England Civil Parish: Ilsington County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: Liverton Cottages Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View Image Occupation: Farm Labourer Registration district: Newton Abbot Sub-registration district: Ashburton ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Battin 7 b.ca 1874, Tavistock, Devon Henrietta Jane Battin 25 b.ca 1856, Calstock, Cornwall John Henry Battin 4 b.ca 1877, Calstock Thomas Battin 6 mos b.ca 1880, Ilsington, Devon William Battin 1 b.ca Ilsington Wm.Henry Battin 25 John Cox 37 Lodger May be worth keeping 'on file' for checking! Sylvia

My tip, when researching explore ever possible lead until you can prove or disprove your findings Roy

thanks to you both, sarah