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I am trying to find my g.g grandfather. I have found his marriage to Alice Patrick in Rotherham in 1872 and have found him with the family on the 1891 and 1901 census, however, I can't trace his birth nor can I trace him on any other census.

I have found his death in Leeds in 1912 which shows his estimated birth year as 1853. On the 1891 census it shows him being born c1848 in Glossop and on the 1901 census it shows him being born c1854 in Glossop.

Where was he until 1891? He was married in 1872 but missing from the family on the 1881 census. I am also unable to trace his birth and cannot trace him as a boy on any census.

Any ideas would be really really appreciated. I'm coming to the end of my tether on this one!!

Thanks everyone,
Joanne.

DOH.........that's how it's got me!!! His name might help you.

Matthew Kellett.

Thanks,
Joanne.

1891 just for ref

Name: Mathew Kellett
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Alice
Gender: Male
Where born: Glossop, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: South East Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Kellett 38 Leeds
Arthur Kellett 17 Leeds
Ellen Kellett 2
James Kellett 13 Leeds
John Kellett 15 Leeds
Mary A Kellett 4
Mathew Kellett 43
Mathew Kellett 8

The only birth that has come up on freebmd is

Births Mar 1858
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Kellett Matthew Dewsbury 9b 427

1881 poss as same occupation as 1891

Name: Matthew Ridett
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Glossop, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Barmbrough
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address: Melton Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Engine Tenter

Registration district: Doncaster
Sub-registration district: Barmbrough
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Doharty 25
John Doharty 22
Thomas Doharty 60
J.Wm.F. Lidgett 32
Mary Lidgett 30
Mary Amelia Lidgett 4
Matthew Ridett 33

Will need to check image


Listed as married but does look it begins with R

1871 poss

Name: Matthew Kellet
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Glossop, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Leeds
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Leeds
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Leeds
Sub-registration district: North Leeds
ED, institution, or vessel: 55
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 157
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Coop 29
Mary A Coop 1
Thomas Coop 29
Matthew Kellet 22
Catherine William 33
Emma William 7
Isabella William 9
John William 33
Mary E William 10

Not sure what occupation but staying with an engine driver

Do you have the marriage cert?

Thank you so much Glitter Baby. I'm convinced that both of these are him (1871 and 1881 census).

No, I don't have the marriage certificate, but I suppose that's my next step. At least then I'll have a father's name to go back with.

Thanks for looking Paul. 1858 seems a little far forward, but you never know. I've learnt not to take anything for granted when looking at these records!

Joanne.

OK, I now have the marriage certificate.

2nd September 1872. Married in the parish of Greasbrough, Rotherham reg district.

Matthew Kellett, full age, bachelor, engine tenter, residence at time of marriage Greasbrough. Father's name Matthew Kellett, Bricklayer.

The witnesses were Robert Foster and Kate Williams. This could be the Catherine William on the 1871 census.


After looking at the marriage certificate I'm still at a loss. I can't find Matthew living with his father Matthew and still can't find a birth for him. I'm assuming now that he's been born under a different surname, perhaps he was illegitimate.

Any ideas on where I can go from here? I don't know what to look at next.

Joanne.

On the marriage certificate it shows that Matthew Kellett's father was also called Matthew Kellett.

I have found a Matthew Kellett born c1829 on the 1851 census, married to Marrianne and living with her parent's Stephen and Ann Pearson. It seems that Marrianne or Mary Ann died in 1855 and later that same year Matthew married Sarah Ann Rawnsley.

Matthew and Sarah are shown on the 1861 census with their children Harriett, Hannah, Eliza and Arthur.

If this Matthew Kellett is my Matthew Kellett's father then where is my Matthew on the census?

The only conclusion that I can come to (as I can't find a birth for my Matthew Kellett) is that he was born out of wedlock and has taken his mother's surname at birth and changed it to Kellett as he got older.

Is there any way that I am going to be able to trace his birth or is this the end of the line?

Thanks,
Joanne.

Thanks Janice.

I have Matthew's place of birth off the census's as Glossop, which I believe would have come under the Hayfield district.

I can't find him at all on the 1861 census, or the 1851 census (if he was born by then).

Joanne.

This may help you..

Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%)
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Kellett Matthew Dewsbury 22 54
Pearson Mary Ann Dewsbury 22 54

Thanks Carrie,

I have found this marriage, and also his subsequent marriage in 1855 to Sarah Ann Rawnsley. What I'm unable to find is if this is my Matthew Kellett's father.

I have Matthew Kellett, born somewhere between 1847 and 1855 in Glossop. He married Alice Patrick in 1872 in Rotherham. The marriage certificate shows his father as Matthew Kellett, but I am unable to find my Matthew on the 1861 census or the 1851 census (if he was born then).

Matthew Kellett born c1829 in Wike maybe his father, but I can't find any proof of this, nor can I find a birth entry for my Matthew.

Thanks,
Joanne.

Hi deleted post because i found that one with parents on census

Kellett Matthew Dewsbury 9b 427
Births Mar 1858
any good??

Afraid not Janice. I know that he married in 1872, so this would have made him 14 when he married.

Thanks for looking,
Joanne.

Any other ideas please?

Joanne.

Joanne he may have given an incorrect age when he married!

Wayne,

There isn't an age on the marriage certificate, it just says 'full age'.

The date on the certificate is 02/09/1872, so if he was born in 1858 he would have only been 14 when he married.

The 1871 census shows his birth year as c1849, the 1881 and 1891 census's show c1848, the 1901 census shows c1854, and the death entry in 1912 shows c1853.

I've searched and searched for a birth for him but I'm at a loss as I can't find a birth entry anywhere.

Anyone got any other ideas?

Thanks,
Joanne.

He may not have been a 'Kellett' when he was born...........

The declared father's name on the marriage cert is not proof of paternity.........

Reg