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On marriage certificates did you have to prove who was father? Was the word of the groom or bride enough?

Paula

No proof of parentage/age is required on marriage certs. They could say what they liked!
Angela

Oh rats !!

I guess it will be like looking for a needle in a haystack. Maybe that is why so little about the family is known. Nana did say Hubert did not have the best of childhoods - maybe this is why.

Thanks to everyone for all their digging. Please feel free to investigate any bright ideas you get !!

Hi Paula.Based on the information you've received to date.....Here are my finding's.

In the 1891 census there's a Bertie Hunt born c 1887,Kensington,London as the adopted son of a

John "Honnslow" born 1824,Margate,Kent[Bath Chair Proprieter] and wife Sarah.

The relevance is that "Bertie" is a short form for Hubert ,the age is approx the same and they lived at 1,NORTH ROW.Not very far from 6,North Row ?

In the 1901 census John "Hounslow"is still living at 1,North Row.....no Bertie!....He's in the "Boy's Brigade".

I've found nothing on his mother for 1891.At a Guess with the census info available...I think she married in 1892 to Albert Walter Sheldon,Q3,1a,996.

In the 1901 census.

Walter Sheldon born c 1867,Brentwood
Ada [wife] born c 1870,Kensington,London,with children...

William 1891,Camberwell
Albert 1893,Camberwell
Frederick 1897,Camberwell.

It could be the case that Hubert's mother had no alternative but to give him up for adoption or that, the Adoptee's,could have been his Grandparent's!!

Something for you to think about.

Regard's,Tom.

Well done Tom, I'd say there's a fair chance that's Hubert in 1891.

I don't know why I didn't see this Emily A Hunt in 1891before:

Emily A Hunt
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Woking, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Kensington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Abbotts
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Kensington Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Chester 77
Mary Chester 70
Jane Govier 40
Elizabeth Higgs 17
Emily A Hunt 25
Amy C Toms 16
Ethel L Toms 21
Helen A Toms 45
Thomas H L Toms 45

Emily is a cook.

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Following her back through the censuses - 1881:

Emily Hunt
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Woking

Civil Parish: St Anne Soho
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: St John Baptist Mission Home Rose St
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Industrial Girl

Registration district: Westminster
Sub-registration district: St Anne Soho

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1871:

Emily Ada Hunt
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Working, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Cobham
Ecclesiastical parish: Cobham
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Epsom
Sub-registration district: Leatherhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members: Name Age
Edith Jane Hunt 3
Emily Ada Hunt 5
Mary Ann Hunt 39
Thomas Hunt 40
Thomas Alfred Hunt 1

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Birth reg:

Births Sep 1865 (>99%)
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Hunt Emily Ada Guildford 2a 39


HOWEVER, I don't know how it can be proved whether or not this is the right one :-((

Angela

Hi Angela.It is difficult.We can only give it our best shot.It may lead to something...who know's.
Tom.

The Emily Ada Hunt death in Epsom I found yesterday would be the right age to fit in with the census info. It might be worth getting that death certificate to see if the name of the informant holds a clue?

btw, interestingly, the occupation of this particular Emily Hunt's father, Thomas was given as farm labourer in one of the censuses I looked at. If I remember rightly, Hubert gave his father's occupation as farmer?

Angela

This is interesting (but probably purely co-incidental). Here are Thomas Hunt & Mary Ann in 1901, with a nurse child, born in KENSINGTON:

John T Hunt
Age: 79
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary W
Gender: Male
Where born: Milksom, Wiltshire, England

Civil Parish: Cobham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Epsom
Sub-registration district: Leatherhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 134
Household Members: Name Age
John T Hunt 79
Mary W Hunt 60
Susie M Hunt 19
Cecil J Stone 6 months

Hi Thomas and Angela

That info about Hubert being listed as Bertie is fab. I think I am going to have to order a few birth, death and marriage certificates!

I will talk to Nana and see if anything rings a bell. There was a stigma to being an unmarried mum and being 91 she may prefer not to remember - I will try though.

You have all been amazing!

Paula

Paula

Good luck!

Angela

hi has anyone heard of timothy and sarah hunt richmond cottages cheltenham,i found them in 1901 census think they are my relatives,thanks