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Charles Joyce (1821) and family

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Shirley

Shirley Report 29 Nov 2007 03:31

We believe Charles was born around 1821 in High Easter, Essex and married in 1840 (to whom??). He had 2 sons that we know of: Charles Henry (b1841) and Alexander (b c1854). He was widowed prior to 1881 when he was still living in High Easter. Can anyone locate him and his family on 1841,1851,1861,1871 Census? Many thanks in anticipation.
Shirley

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 Nov 2007 03:40

Possible marriage registration fro Charles Joyce

Nedd to determine which woman he married


Marriages Mar 1840 (>99%)

JOYCE Charles Dunmow 12 115
NEVILL Dorothy Dunmow 12 115
SMITH John Dunmow 12 115
TWEEN Elizabeth Dunmow 12 115


sylvia

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 03:53

Eldest son? Does this mean father married Dorothy?

1841:
Name: Chas Joyce
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil parish: High Easter
Hundred: Dunmow
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: [between Yew Tree & Lofty]

Occupation:

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Hatfield Broad Oak
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Dorothy Joyce 20
Chas Joyce 1
Joseph Joyce 18
Ely Joyce 15

This is the order of the household so it certainly looks like he married Dorothy.

Dorothy & Joseph are ag labs. Head of the previous household is a 30 year old William Joyce, thatcher.

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 Nov 2007 03:57

Hi Ozi,

I wondered about this one ...... but is Joseph Charles, or is Charles away from home, or is this Dorothy a Joyce??


sylvia

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:02

Not sure. First thing that came to my mind was Joseph & Ely[?] were brothers-in-law to Dorothy.

1871:
Name: Alexander Joyce
Age: 17
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's name: Charles
Gender: Male
Where born: High Easter, Essex, England

Civil parish: South Ockenden
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: The Green

Occupation:


Registration district: Orsett
Sub-registration district: Grays
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 91
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Joyce 47 - ag lab
Alexander Joyce 17

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:04

1881:
Name: Charles Joyce
Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: High Easter, Essex, England

Civil parish: High Easter
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Lofty Green
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Ag Lab

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Hatfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Joyce 60
Alexander Joyce 26 - ag lab
George Jarvis 2 - boarder [??]

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:06

1881: same page
Name: James Joyce
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Susan
Gender: Male
Where born: High Easter, Essex, England

Civil parish: High Easter
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Lofty Green
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Poulterer And Ag Lab Heigler Ag Lab [Image - 'Fleigler + Ag Lab' which has been crossed out, by the collator I think, then in very different writing 'Poulterer + Ag Lab'. Almost like an explanation.]

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Hatfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Joyce 42
Susan Joyce 31
James W. Joyce 10
Lilley E. Joyce 8
Ada F. Joyce 6
Frank Joyce 4
William Joyce 2
Infant Joyce - 1 month

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 Nov 2007 04:11

Ozi

Did you notice that on the 1871 it said that Charles Joyce was Married?

On the 1881 he is Widowed


so is wife (possibly Dorothy) still alive in 1871, or is it another of the mistakes in marital status?


sylvia

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:14

Not sure of status in 1871, looking for wife.

I wondered if Dorothy died & he remarried. Large gap between sons.

Ozi.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:17

Have you found any of them in 1851?

1861:
Name: Charles Joyce
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Gt Waltham, Essex, England

Civil parish: High Easter
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: between Stagden Cross & Upper Harveys

Occupation: brickmaker


Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Hatfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Joyce 21
Lucy Joyce 20
Joyce 1 Mo [no first name]

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 Nov 2007 04:20

No I haven't

I even tried a search of the village in 1851, with no luck

It's weird!


sylvia

Shirley

Shirley Report 29 Nov 2007 04:21

Dear Sylvia & Ozi,
How come I always get the difficult ones in my tree?
But you guys are great and like a challenge I know. Thanks for everything so far.
Shirley

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:21

Marriages Dec 1860
Barrack Lucy Sophia Dunmow 4a 670
Gower Susan Dunmow 4a 670
Joyce Charles Dunmow 4a 670
Sharpe Levi Dunmow 4a 670

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:29

1871:
Name: Charles Joyce
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: High Easter, Essex, England

Civil parish: High Easter
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Rd to Lofty Green [!!!]

Occupation: ag lab

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Hatfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Joyce 32
Lucy Joyce 31
Arthur Joyce 10
James Joyce 9
Allice Joyce 7
Harriett Joyce 4
William Joyce 4 months


Sylvia, did you find Lofty Green in 1851?

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:31

Shirley - you should try finding Shelley's Hockings!!

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 Nov 2007 04:32

They just seem to have disappeared between the possible sighting in 1841 and 1871! Although Carles jr does appear in 1861.


Where would an Ag Lab go with wife and kids?

Transported???????????


sylvia

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 Nov 2007 04:33

Hi Shirley,


Ozi

Oh, don't mention the Hockings!!


Or Kathryn's Moncks!!



sylvia

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:40

I'm always amazed at how many have family that emigrate & return between a couple of census. Even in the mid-1800s.

However none of the Joyce brood seem to be born overseas.

Dorothy disappears off the face of the earth!

Ozi.

Ozibird

Ozibird Report 29 Nov 2007 04:43

No she hasn't!!!!!

1861:
Name: Dorothy Joice
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Housekeeper
Where born: Ex, Dunmow [not Ex but abbreviation for Essex]

Civil parish: Leaden Roothing
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Cloghomes Green

Occupation:

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Hatfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Speller 65
Joseph Speller 36
Dorothy Joice 38

SylviaInCanada

SylviaInCanada Report 29 Nov 2007 05:01

Ozi,


Good for you!

I gave up for a bit, and went off to do something else on another site!


Now if we could only find Charles sr and Charles jr in 1851.


sylvia