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Yes but some went of their own free will, & returned.

Ozi.

so there's Joyces, just not Shirley's Joyces!

I wonder if they were transported to Oz ........ I know some were sent out there for a term and could return at the end. But the whole family??????????

It's strange to have them missing for so many censuses.


sylvia

'Higgler' - Itinerant peddler. A lot of the Higgler's trade involved barter, rather than money changing hands and the name derives from the resultant haggling.

Also:

Post Office Directory of Essex 1874 - list of inhabitants.

Note: the directory lists the names in the following order: Surname, First Name. It also abbreviates names. These have been reversed and typed in full to assist research.


High Easter

William Bayley, school master
Miss Kennedy, school mistress
Rev. Robert Barnard, independent
Rev. Edward Francis Gepp, M.A., J.P., vicar
Mrs. Rose Hockley, Rose Villa
George Ambrose, farmer, Ground's farm
Ambrose Archer, tailor and draper
John Barnard, farmer, Lower house
Archer Bentall, farmer, Blakes
Daniel Bentall, farmer, Lawn Hall Farm
James Bird, leather glove maker
Abrah Boosey, Cock and Bell
Mrs. Jane Bourne, farmer, Mill Hill
James Buck, famrer, Games
Mres. Ann Chalk, farmer, Little Staggings
Alfred Day, baker
Thomas Claydon, blacksmith
James Crow, farmer, Peacons
Alfred Franklin, wheelwright and carrier
Mrs. Elizabeth Franklin, grocer
Benjamin Fuller, miller
Charles Candy, saddler and harness maker
Mrs. Sarah Grove, shopkeeper
William Hockley, farmer, Low House



Joseph Josling, farmer, Stubbers
..>>.Benjamin Joyce, higgler [I wonder if this is the 'heigler/fleigler']
...>>>William Joyce, farmer and poulterer
James Leech, farmer
Marriage Brothers, farmers, Hayrons Farm
Frederick John Matthews, farmer and landowner, Parsonage Farm
Stephen Matthews, Punch Bowl
George Millbank, farmer, Blunts Farm
Mrs. Matthews, farmer, Crippins
John Millbank, farmer, Old house
William Millbank, farmer, Manns Farm
William Mott, carpenter
James Nunn, farm bailiff, Green's Farm
John Owers, shoe maker
William Porter, shoe maker
Charles Puffett, farmer, Whites Farm
Mrs. Martha Saltmarsh, farmer, Bury
Charles Smith, farmer, Maidens
Alfred Stokes, grocer and draper
John Warden, farmer, Poplars
George Wilson, farmer, Bridge Farm and Roblets

Same here.

Found this when googling:

White's Directory of Essex 1848 - list of inhabitants.

Note: the directory lists the names in the following order: Surname, First Name. It also abbreviates names. These have been reversed and typed in full to assist research.


High Easter
Reproduced courtesy of Footsteps.
Quality reproductions of old photographs.
Thomas Barnes, baker
Mary Ann Beecroft, schoolmistress
Sarah Brewster, straw hat maker
Thomas Clayden, blacksmith
William Crow, plumber, painter, etc.
John Crush, victualler, Punch Bowl
William Franklin, wheelwright
Benjamin Fuller, corn miller
...>>>William Joyce, butcher, Lofty Green
William Lodge, parish clerk
Joseph Loker, gamekeeper to the Rev. Sir A. B. Henniker
Prentice Manning, corn merchant and congregational minister
William Mott, carpenter
Joseph Newell, saddler
James Parett, surgeon
Miss Sarah Saltmarsh
Joseph Thorn, Butcher and victualler, Cock and Bell

There's loads of Joyces being born and registered in Dunmow, the registration centre ........... they're just not on the censuses!


sylvia

All those Joyces just disappear!!

I've been trying to trace the Ely (?Eli) and Joseph from the 1841 and nada!


sylvia

I've been looking at Multimap - all the places are there - Yewtree, Stagden Cross, Upper Harveys, less than 5 kilometres between them & High Easter I'd say.

Ozi.

I think I am going to suggest that Shirley gets the marriage certificate to find out who is Chalres wife, we may be barking up the wrong tree with Dorothy!


Marriages Mar 1840 (>99%)

JOYCE Charles Dunmow 12 115
NEVILL Dorothy Dunmow 12 115
SMITH John Dunmow 12 115
TWEEN Elizabeth Dunmow 12 115

Go to www.gro.gov.uk to order the certificate. The GRO reference number is the set of 2 numbers to the right of Dunmow.

Ask only for Charles Joyce. Fo NOT specify wife's name.


After you get that, follow up with getting Charles birth certificate, which is probably this one

Births Jun 1841 (>99%)

JOYCE Charles Dunmow 12 71


and Alexander's birth certificate

Births Mar 1854 (>99%)

Joyce Alexander Dunmow 4a 318



sylvia

Ozi,


Good for you!

I gave up for a bit, and went off to do something else on another site!


Now if we could only find Charles sr and Charles jr in 1851.


sylvia

No she hasn't!!!!!

1861:
Name: Dorothy Joice
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Relation: Housekeeper
Where born: Ex, Dunmow [not Ex but abbreviation for Essex]

Civil parish: Leaden Roothing
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Cloghomes Green

Occupation:

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Hatfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Speller 65
Joseph Speller 36
Dorothy Joice 38

I'm always amazed at how many have family that emigrate & return between a couple of census. Even in the mid-1800s.

However none of the Joyce brood seem to be born overseas.

Dorothy disappears off the face of the earth!

Ozi.

Hi Shirley,


Ozi

Oh, don't mention the Hockings!!


Or Kathryn's Moncks!!



sylvia

They just seem to have disappeared between the possible sighting in 1841 and 1871! Although Carles jr does appear in 1861.


Where would an Ag Lab go with wife and kids?

Transported???????????


sylvia

Shirley - you should try finding Shelley's Hockings!!

1871:
Name: Charles Joyce
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: High Easter, Essex, England

Civil parish: High Easter
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Rd to Lofty Green [!!!]

Occupation: ag lab

Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Hatfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 18
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Joyce 32
Lucy Joyce 31
Arthur Joyce 10
James Joyce 9
Allice Joyce 7
Harriett Joyce 4
William Joyce 4 months


Sylvia, did you find Lofty Green in 1851?

Marriages Dec 1860
Barrack Lucy Sophia Dunmow 4a 670
Gower Susan Dunmow 4a 670
Joyce Charles Dunmow 4a 670
Sharpe Levi Dunmow 4a 670

Dear Sylvia & Ozi,
How come I always get the difficult ones in my tree?
But you guys are great and like a challenge I know. Thanks for everything so far.
Shirley

No I haven't

I even tried a search of the village in 1851, with no luck

It's weird!


sylvia

Have you found any of them in 1851?

1861:
Name: Charles Joyce
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Gt Waltham, Essex, England

Civil parish: High Easter
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: between Stagden Cross & Upper Harveys

Occupation: brickmaker


Registration district: Dunmow
Sub-registration district: Hatfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Joyce 21
Lucy Joyce 20
Joyce 1 Mo [no first name]