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Hi My Grandfather Frederick william Carter married Mary Ann Cowley in Aylesbury in 1887 she was born in 1867, they had a daughter Evaline Cowley Carter b c1888,but I cannot find when or where MAC died, I am sure she died because my Grandfather later married my Grandmother in 1900 or have I stumbled across a bigamist
Any help would be grateful
Happy New Year to everyone at GR

Jane

what happens on 1891 census- does that narrow the field at all?
did they stay in aylesbury or move away?

what happened where and when that you know of?

Births Mar 1888
Carter Eveline Cowley Aylesbury 3a 709

I cannot see another marriage for him, in Aylesbury anyway

1891 with Granny
Name: Eveline C Carter
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Granddaughter
Gender: Female
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Aylesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England


Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

Elizabeth Carter 56
Eveline C Carter 3 <<
Rosetta Carter 28

WITH HER AUNT IN 1901- no it must be her dad, surely?

Name: Evelyn Carter
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Aylesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Aylesbury St Mary and St John
Town: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Carter 36
Edith Carter 7
Evelyn Carter 13
Frederick C Carter 11
Fredk W Carter 36

1891
Dad & Charlotte? with fred Jnr

Name: Frederick C Carter
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick W
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Aylesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England



Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Carter 25
Frederick C Carter 1
Frederick W Carter 26


Hang on a Mo - jane says they married in 1900 - are we up a gum tree here?

Jane - what was your grandmothers name please?

I;m completely confused here - do you have Evelines birth cert?

I;m not so sure he didnt marry Charlotte in the first place

Marriages Dec 1887 (>99%)
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Carter Frederick William Aylesbury 3a 987
Cowley Mary Ann Aylesbury 3a 987
NORTH Robert William Aylesbury 3a 987
RICKARD Charlotte Aylesbury 3a 987

Hi, my grandfather married MAC in 1887 thay had a daughter Evaline in 1888, I have found that ECC lived with her Grandmother Elizabeth Carter and Aunt Rosetta Carter on the 1891 Census so I would like to find out what happened to MAC
My Grandfather Frederick William Carter married my Grandmother Catherine McAuliffe in London in 1900
I know this is a bit of a muddle
Jane

The second marriage reg'n.......purely for info

Frederick William Carter 1900 Apr-May-Jun Hendon (1837-1947) Middlesex
Catherine McAuliffe 1900 Apr-May-Jun Hendon (1837-1947) Middlesex

Is this the correct family in 1901?

Name: Catherine Carter
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Frederick W
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil Parish: St John The Evangelist and St Margaret Westminster
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Knightsbridge
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England



Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Mayfair and Knightsbridge
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 436
Household Members: Name Age
Agnes Carter 11
Arthur Carter 24 Brother
Catherine Carter 32
Frederick W Carter 35
Kate Carter 8
Lillian Carter 3
Major Carter 1
Rose Carter 6
Sarah Carter 55 Mother

Reg

Do you have the 1900 marriage cert?

What does it say about Fred's 'status'? And his occupation? Father's name and occupation?


Reg

Hi Reg yes I do have the 1900 cert. it says FWC was a bachelor his fathers name was William and he was a carpenter ,
I will try and trace this person
Many thanks

Jane

Have you Evelines birth cert?

According to that 1901 Williams Mother is the Sarah Carter that is mentioned, Born london

clutching at straws a bit.
1881?

Name: Arthur Carter
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Kensington

Civil Parish: Kensington
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 2 Sloane Place


Registration district: Kensington
Sub-registration district: Brompton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur Carter 4
Frederick Carter 15 born Kensington
Mary A. Carter 68
Sarah Carter 35
Sarah Matthews 70

What evidence is there that the Frederick William Carter who married Catherine is the same person as the one who married Mary?

How old was he on the marriage cert? And what was his occupation?

What about Catherine's details? Age, father's name etc?

Reg

I've just checked 1891...the family I posted for 1901 were on 1891.....so that rules them out as being the ones who married in 1900...........

Reg

Im confused by Eveline in 1891 , where she is described as a neice, with an Uncle Carter.

If she was indeed his neice, he must be her fathers brother ....yet has the same first name .

How can that be?

( AND if she is with her Gran Elizabeth carter, His mother cant be sarah)

In 1891, Eveline (b. Aylesbury) is with grandmother Elizabeth (b. Stone) and aunt Rosetta (b. Stone)

Is Frederick William with these people in 1881?

Reg

ok, if Granny in 1891 is correct, this must be granny in 1881 with her children at home unmarried

Name: Rosetta Carter
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Stone, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: 4 California
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Packer At Printing Works

Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age


Ann Carter 4
Caroline E. Carter 8
Elizabeth Carter 47
Frederick W. Carter 16 Born Stone
Herbert Carter 21
Mary Carter 13
Robert Carter 44
Robert Carter 6
Rosetta Carter 18 Born Stone

Stone is a hamlet nr Aylesbury

YEs.he is

Name: Frederick W. Carter
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Stone, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address: 4 California

Occupation: Postman

Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 1


Ann Carter 4
Caroline E. Carter 8
Elizabeth Carter 47
Frederick W. Carter 16
Herbert Carter 21
Mary Carter 13
Robert Carter 44
Robert Carter 6
Rosetta Carter 18


As you will see, his father is Robert, so he is NOT the same person as the one who married in 1900

Reg

cant find Frederick carter born Stone in 1901

update, says he's born aylesbury

Name: Fredk W Carter
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Aylesbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Aylesbury St Mary and St John
Town: Aylesbury
County/Island: Buckinghamshire
Country: England

Street address:


Registration district: Aylesbury
Sub-registration district: Aylesbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104

Household Members: Name Age

Charlotte Carter 36
Edith Carter 7
Evelyn Carter 13
Frederick C Carter 11
Fredk W Carter 36

I have gone in a circle - why is she described as a neice?

Until Jane tells us how old Fred was in 1900, I'm not looking any further..............

Other than to say, that as Eveline's birth was registered in JFM 1888, and the marriage wasn't until OND1887, it's entirely possible that Fred wasn't her father, which would explain the inclusion of MMN in her name

BUT.........this is not the Fred who married Catherine

Reg

I wonder how they have got tied together - its curious.

Be interesting to hear from jane

Hi this is getting confusing, in 1901 census is states that FWC was born in Stone so I know that this is my Grandfather because the area that they were living in at the time 1901 was where my Mum was born. I remeber my mum saying that her dad had been married before. I presumed that Evaline was WFC daughter because her middle name is Cowley. When you start looking at records you realise that there are many people with the same name
Jane