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frances was born in 1889 place ?
she maried thomas barnden in halling kent in 19th jan1910
died 17th apr 1935.
this is all we know off her we hve been trying to find out more for the past 5 years.
with out knowing her parents as they died young we beleave at sea?(as say,s on marige cert)
or where she came from it makes it hard

What was Frances' maiden name? Take it you have her marriage cert to Thomas - so who was her father and what was his occupation?

Hi Douglas,
The following may help
Marriage
Frances Mary Anderson 1910 Jan-Feb-Mar Strood (1885-1923) Kent
Thomas George Barnden 1910 Jan-Feb-Mar Strood (1885-1923) Kent

Regards
Bernadette

france mary maiden was anderson, on marriage cert it states the father deceaced then sailor. no first name given.
the remaning famerly members have stated that the perants died at sea ?

There is a Frances Anderson on the 1901 census in Strood.Shows a birthplace of Upchurch Kent 1882.
The Anderson family are at 171 Gordon Rd Strood
Thomas H 50 Cement worker
Elizabeth 46
Edward 19
Ellen E 6
George T 23
Herbert W 21
Horace 15
Mabel 11
Frances 19

Will check to see if Frances and Edward are twins as both 19. No. they are not.
Thomas Barnden birth in 1889 Strood. On the 1901 his father Percy Barnden also a Cement worker.
Do you think perhaps that Frances didn't want Thomas to find out she was older than him?

thanks yorkie for looking frances mary was born 1889 she maried at the age of 21

julie
frances was only 12 years old in 1901
thanks for looking

Can find no birth record in 1889 or a 12 yr old Frances on the 1901 census. How are you sure it is 1889

The following looks promising;
On the original the Frances H could be a France M and the father John is listed as a seaman from Norway. If you would like a copy of the census please email me privately with your email address

1891 England Census
about Frances H Anderson
Name: Frances H Anderson
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Alice E
Gender: Female
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice E Anderson 25
Alice E Anderson 5
Catherine E Anderson 3
Frances H Anderson 1
John Anderson 32

Regards,
Bernadette

The West Ham birth reg is Frances Anna

julie
the birh year is cacerlated from her undertakers bill whitch has her age when died 45 and year she died 1935

The information on the bill is only as good as the informant told him. You cannot assume it to be concrete evidence. I have searched for a birth but there is none for the year you gave. If she gave an incorrect age on her marriage cert as she was older than her husband she could have carried this thro.

if she gave the incorect age could she be hiding that she was a b***sted child if so is ther a way of finding out?

The following birth record may well be in keeping with the 1881 Census result I forwarded. "Elfrida" being a Norwegian name and may well have been dropped


Name: Elfrida Frances M Anderson
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Eastry
County: Kent
Volume: 2a

it may be but i have know way of finding out for shore ,iv asked my wifes mother she just looked blank?
she do,not know much about her mother.

Thats a brilliant bit of work Bernadette - Id certainly be thinking about it.

Douglas, what did she name the children? Do the names tie in at all with the Norwegian sailors family?

names of siberlings
eric
ernest
alfred
violet
thomas
frances
betty
william#
constance
george
daphne
i serpose that you say the first three could be norwegian?

If she was the Alfrida b 1899 she was too young to marry in 1910

DOH, didnt see the marriage date -

The 1901 census family with Thomas H and Elizabeth as parents does not tally with 1891 info.

Also two children aged 19 in the same household in 1901 but not twins, Edward and Frances? Could she have been born under another surname and 'taken in' by the Andersons.