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3 Jan 2008 22:59 |
trying to find details of william jackson who married ann watts - they had a son charles born c1836 who married ann evans born c1836, they had children elizabeth c1860, will c1866 and lucy c1868 know charles and his family were all born england from 1871 census for coatbridge, scotland - not knowing where in england they came from makes it difficult can anyone help Anne
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Heather
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3 Jan 2008 23:03 |
Bit confused here - could you look at your dates and amend please? How do you know Ann's surname please?
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Anne
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3 Jan 2008 23:07 |
sorry charles and ann were born 1836
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Anne
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3 Jan 2008 23:10 |
got wifes name from charles death cert also have ann's death cert her parents were thomas evans and margaret -----------?
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doddsy1
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3 Jan 2008 23:11 |
Charles and Ann were born in 1836
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JaneyCanuck
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3 Jan 2008 23:48 |
It still isn't clear.
How do you know Ann WATTS's surname? is the question, I think. Or was Charles Jackson's mother's surname on his death certificate? (Practice in Scotland, if he died there?)
To clarify the other bit, the 1871 census has them in Coatbridge, Scotland, all as born in England, is that it?
The only Charles Watts in 1851 who matches the specs (although there are loose Charles Watts-s of the rightish age not living with parents) is:
Name: Charles Jackson Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Anne Gender: Male Where born: Codnor, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Codnor Park Ecclesiastical parish: Ironville County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Greasley ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Household schedule number: 44
Henry Green 7 Mo Sarah Green 30 Ann Jackson 4 Anne Jackson 46 Charles Jackson 15 Elizebath Jackson 8 Thomas Jackson 13 William Jackson 50
By skimming through the results list for Charles Watts born approx 1836 in the English 1841 census, and hovering the mouse over "view results" to quickly check for William and Ann in the household, I had noted the same one (parents, brother Thomas, location):
Name: Charles Jackson Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Gender: Male Where born: Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Heanor Hundred: Morlestone and Litchurch County/Island: Derbyshire Country: England Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Greasley
Ann Jackson 35 Charles Jackson 6 George Jackson 15 Martha Jackson 10 Sarah Jackson 12 Thomas Jackson 3 William Jackson 35 William Jackson 13
Again, that's about the only one who fits.
Although -- in 1841 there is this one with apparently widowed mother Ann:
Name: Charles Jackson Age: 6 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Gender: Male Where born: Leicestershire, England Civil Parish: St Margaret With Bishops Fee Hundred: Leicester Borough County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England Registration district: Leicester Sub-registration district: East Leicester
Ann Jackson 35 Ann Jackson 2 Charles Jackson 6 Henry Jackson 15 Joseph Jackson 12 Sarah Jackson 1 Mo
and also:
Name: Charles Jackson Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Male Where born: Staffordshire, England Civil Parish: Stone Hundred: South Pirehill County/Island: Staffordshire Country: England Registration district: Stone Sub-registration district: Stone
Ann Hood 11 Ann Jackson 30 Charles Jackson 4
That covers birthdates 1835-1837, anyhow.
There are three undocumented submissions to the IGI for this William Jackson - Ann Watts marriage:
25 DEC 1827 Pentrich, Derby, England
and one for this one:
25 DEC 1827 South Wingfield, Derby, England which pretty much looks like the same one, and which would just about give them time to have a 15-yr-old child in 1841.
There is also this properly documented one:
WILLIAM JACKSON Spouse: ANN WATTS Marriage: 21 FEB 1825 Solihull, Warwick, England Batch No.: M010751
The parents from that 1861 household are:
Name: William Jackson Age: 50 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Anne Gender: Male Where born: Brinsley, Nottinghamshire, England
Name: Anne Jackson Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1805 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Gender: Female Where born: Chesterfield, Derbyshire, England
Would this be your Charles in 1861?
Name: Charles Jackson Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: England Registration Number: 457 Registration district: Strathmiglo Civil Parish: Strathmiglo County: Fife Address: Well Bank Occupation: Hand Loom Linen Manufacturer ED: 3 Page: 11 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 55 Line: 6 Roll: CSSCT1861_60
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Heather
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3 Jan 2008 23:49 |
Just for reference: 1871 Elizabeth Jackson Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relationship: Daughter Father's Name: Charles Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Female Where born: England Registration Number: 652/2 Registration district: Old Monkland Middle District Civil Parish: Old Monkland Town: Coatbridge County: Lanarkshire Address: John Street Browns Land ED: 16 Page: 28 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 139 Line: 16 Roll: CSSCT1871_148 Household Members: Name Age Ann Jackson 35 Charles Jackson 35 Elizabeth Jackson 11 Lucy Jackson 3 W H Jackson 5
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JaneyCanuck
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3 Jan 2008 23:50 |
For ref, this is the 1871 census record referred to:
Name: Charles Jackson Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Ann Gender: Male Where born: England Registration Number: 652/2 Registration district: Old Monkland Middle District Civil Parish: Old Monkland Town: Coatbridge County: Lanarkshire
Address: John Street Browns Land Occupation: Labourer Iron Works
ED: 16 Page: 28 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 139 Line: 14 Roll: CSSCT1871_148
Ann Jackson 35 Charles Jackson 35 Elizabeth Jackson 11 Lucy Jackson 3 W H Jackson 5
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Heather
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3 Jan 2008 23:52 |
Hmm, just a thought 1861:
Hmm, 1861:
Elizabeth Jackson Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Visitor Gender: Female Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Thornton Hough Ecclesiastical parish: Neston County/Island: Cheshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Wirral Sub-registration district: Neston ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Ann Gittins 10 Easter Gittins 15 John Gittins 46 Martha Gittins 41 Martha Gittins 12 Sarah Gittins 18 >>>Ann J Jackson 24 >>>Elizabeth Jackson 1
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Heather
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3 Jan 2008 23:56 |
Blimey Kath, you whipped those in - LOL.
But that guy on his own 1861, boarder - is he married on that image? Oh its a scottish one - no image.
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JaneyCanuck
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4 Jan 2008 00:05 |
Not married, and in the wrong place -- although I thought the daughter's age in 1871 could be offish, and the marriage after the 1861 census..
But I've got 'em -- it's the Charles in Derbyshire I fingered. In 1861:
Name: Charles Jackson Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Codnor, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Nether Hoyland Ecclesiastical parish: Elsecar County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Barnsley Sub-registration district: Darfield ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Household schedule number: 168
Ann Jackson 25 Charles Jackson 25 Elizabeth W Jackson 1
Ta da. But where's the marriage?? Can't find it anywhere.
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JaneyCanuck
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4 Jan 2008 00:06 |
And I was going to be the one who deleted the 1871 census ref, since you beat me on that one. ;)
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JaneyCanuck
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4 Jan 2008 00:07 |
1861 details for wife Ann Jackson and daughter Elizabeth Jackson:
Name: Ann Jackson Age: 25 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Charles Gender: Female Where born: Elsecar, Yorkshire, England
Name: Elizabeth W Jackson Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Charles Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Female Where born: Elsecar, Yorkshire, England
Marriage must have been in Yorkshire ...
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Heather
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4 Jan 2008 00:09 |
Oh well done. But Im blowed if I can find an Evans/Jackson marriage. I dont spose Ann could have been a widow when she married?
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JaneyCanuck
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4 Jan 2008 00:13 |
I suspect the Evans name may be, er, suspect.
Marriages Mar 1859 Jackson Charles Barnsley 9c 131 Oxley Ann Barnsley 9c 131
Birth could be:
Births Jun 1859 Jackson Elizabeth Barnsley 9c 131
There are two in 1860 that could match but the transcription is screwy and the image needs to be checked if anybody's ordering certificates.
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Anne
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4 Jan 2008 00:14 |
info on scottish death cert gives the widows maiden surname as well as the deceased parents names - thanks to all who are answering you are a great help - you are all so good at finding the info
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JaneyCanuck
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4 Jan 2008 00:20 |
That's what I'm wondering -- whether she might have been Evans married Oxley. Can't find one of them, either.
This could be Ann Evans in 1851 -- matches all the specs.
Name: Ann Evans Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Margaret Gender: Female Where born: Hoyland, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Hoyland Nether Town: Hoyland County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Barnsley Sub-registration district: Darfield ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Household schedule number: 129
Allice Evans 4 Ann Evans 15 Henry Evans 16 Jane Evans 12 John Evans 20 Joseph Evans 18 Lucy Evans 2 Margaret Evans 41 Margaret Evans 14 Mary Evans 23 Thomas Evans 51 Thomas Evans 7
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4 Jan 2008 00:21 |
How about if one of them had a pre-existing marriage they just kind of forgot about, and in fact did not marry?
I mean, that would be highly unusual, wouldn't it? ;)
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JaneyCanuck
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4 Jan 2008 00:30 |
The names are so common that there'd be no way of knowing of a prior marriage without ordering a bunch of marriage certificates and matching up parents' names. Or tracking all the potential couples down to see whether they're in the 1861 census.
I might wonder about the Charles Jackson marriages in Derbyshire in the 1850s, for instance. There are no Ann Evans marriages in Barnsley in the 1850s.
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Anne
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4 Jan 2008 00:43 |
have come across a marriage cert for the district of Old Monklands for Elizabeth Ann Jackson to Joseph Collins 1879 she is age 19 her parents are Charles Jackson and Ann Jackson nee Evans sorry to put a spanner in the works
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