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JaneyCanuck
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7 Jan 2008 05:15 |
Do you have this? Anything to stop the endless circularity ...
Name: Beatrice Louise Fellenofellerr Year of Registration: 1906 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Cardiff (1837-1974) County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire Volume: 11a Page: 411
That is some sort of ridiculous typographical error at FreeBMD. (The surname of the next person on the list, Feller, got typed in the middle of her surname.) The record says
FELLENOR, Beatrice Louise
and the rest of the data are correct. If you don't have THAT birth certificate, order it!!! -- using the correct spelling of the name. (First you should find the record at FreeBMD, using the ridiculous spelling, and check the image yourself -- and submit a correction.)
Then you will KNOW whether her parents were Ernest Fellenor and Elizabeth Tuttle, which they may well have been.
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Julian
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7 Jan 2008 04:40 |
Hi Kathryn I am going to start to order starts ome certificates during this week.I was slightly upset with some remarks you had made about wasting prople's time on here.Like everyone else who comes on here and who are new to this,this is the same with me.I have only just started out in the last 2/3 weeks trancing my family tree.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Jan 2008 02:45 |
Dorothy Mabel Fellenor did not marry. She died in 1992:
Name: Dorothy Mabel Fellenor Birth Date: 5 Dec 1898 Death Registration Month/Year: Jan 1992 Age at death (estimated): 93 Registration district: South Glamorgan Inferred County: South Glamorgan Volume: 28 Page: 1609
Unless she had children without marrying, she does not seem to be your ancestor ... so I'm at a complete loss to understand how Elizabeth Tuttle who married Ernest Fellenor could be.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Jan 2008 02:43 |
Just fyi -- and you can see all this by searching for the surname Fellenor at
http://www.freebmd.org.uk
without specifying type of event, date, place or given name, because there are so few people with the name (apparently only the one Wiltshire family) -- only one of the children born to Elizabeth Tuttle and Ernest Fellenor survived; the deaths of the other two are:
Deaths Sep 1902 Fellenor Ernest Edward 1 Bristol 6a 119
Deaths Dec 1917 Fellenor Wilfred W 17 Cardiff 11a 320
So Dorothy Mabel is the only one who could be your ancestor, i.e., presumably, your grandmother. No marriage has been transcribed for her yet.
When I said "We assume you *know* these are your people", it seems we assumed too much.
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Julian
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7 Jan 2008 02:00 |
Going to order the marriage certificate today:>) Will then have to work out how Ernest is related to me or if he is.My mum did mention Elizabeth' Tuttle was my great grandmother.
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Jan 2008 01:28 |
I suspect Ernest got tired of trying to spell his birthplace to the enumerator in Bristol and settled on Swindon in 1901. ;) In 1901, his brother Edwin seems to have settled on Chippenham as his birthplace.
The "Worcester" for Elizabeth's birthplace in 1901 is obviously a mishearing or mistranscription of "Wiltshire".
Now order the danged 1897 marriage certificate and find out who Elizabeth's father was!
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Julian
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7 Jan 2008 01:19 |
Hi Kathryn, Thankyou so much for your help.The mistranscriptions on certain people's record's does not help much lol.Dorothy Mabel Fellenor seams to ring bells.I am very certain my mum had spoken of this person.The details you came accoss do all seam to add up and no match could not really come this close.Thanks again Julian
Earnest was born in Lydiard Tregoze, Wiltshire, England 1874:>)
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Jan 2008 00:18 |
In case you're looking for Ernest, this is him in 1891 at Ancestry:
Name: Ernest Kellenor Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Mother's Name: Elizabeth Ann Gender: Male Where born: Lydiard Tregoze, Wiltshire, England
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JaneyCanuck
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7 Jan 2008 00:07 |
Ernest Fellenor is from Wiltshire, and in 1881 the George you're looking at was in Shalbourne. So I'd imagine this Elizabeth in 1871 is that Geoge's daughter:
Name: Elizabeth A Tuttle Age: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873 Relation: Servant Gender: Female Where born: Shalbourne, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: The Close Ecclesiastical parish: The Close County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Registration district: Alderbury Sub-registration district: Salisbury ED, institution, or vessel: 18
1873 suggests that she was born in 1872. So you may well be on the right track -- but you need the 1897 marriage certificate to get on any track!
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JaneyCanuck
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6 Jan 2008 23:58 |
Since you know they married in 1897, you can find them in the 1901 ... just not as Fellenor, at Ancestry, because they've obviously been the victims of mistranscription.
Did they have any kids before 1901? Pretty unusual name, so I'd suspect these are theirs:
Dorothy Mabel Fellenor 1899 Jan-Feb-Mar Bristol Avon, Gloucestershire Ernest Edward Fellenor 1901 Jul-Aug-Sep Bristol Avon, Gloucestershire Wilfred William Fellenor 1900 Apr-May-Jun Bristol Avon, Gloucestershire
There are others before 1897 in Barton Regis, likely cousins.
So let's look for Dorothy and Wilfred in Bristol in 1901, with parents Ernest and Elizabeth.
And here we are -- as you may already have known:
Name: Elizabeth Fellman Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Earnest Gender: Female Where born: Worcestershire, England Civil Parish: Bristol Ecclesiastical parish: Moorfields St Matthew County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England Registration district: Bristol Sub-registration district: St George ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 119
Dorothy M Fellman 2 Earnest Fellman 27 Elizabeth Fellman 27 Welford W Fellman 1
Barely recognizable, but them.
A census age usually indicates a date of birth a year earlier -- most people were born after the date of census day in a year. People also just don't always report accurate ages. Wives older than their husbands might be particularly prone to minimizing. (A sister of my gr-grfather eluded me for months because she reported she was the same age as her husband, 19, when they married in 1875, and in the 1881 census. In fact, she was born in late 1854, making her nearly 21 when they married. She may or may not have known this.)
Her birthplace as shown on the original record in 1901 is actually Worcester. Ernest was born in Swindon, Wilts.
If you look through the results at Ancestry for Elizabeth Tuttle, born 1874 +/- 2 yrs, in 1891, you'll see some corrected Tuttles -- Eliza Tubble and Vera C Suttle.
Eliza Tubble is Eliza Gaitskell Coke Tuttle, the mother-in-law of that very gr-grfather's sister I was just talking about; Vera Suttle is Eliza's 2nd husband's daughter, Vera Tuttle.
That's why your post caught my eye in the first place. ;)
So you see what mistranscriptions could be doing to keep you from your Elizabeth ...
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JaneyCanuck
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6 Jan 2008 23:42 |
I'm going to jump in and spell Heather here -- you're going in circles.
She married Ernest Fellenor. We assume you *know* these are your people. Order the marriage certificate!
Name: Ernest Fellenor Year of Registration: 1897 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Bedminster County: Gloucestershire, Somerset Volume: 5c Page: 1251
You should find the record at FreeBMD yourself
http://www.freebmd.org.uk
to check the image itself and make sure the data there are correct, before ordering.
Then you will *know* her father's name (and occupation), and the age she stated for herself when she married. *Then* you can look further for her in the censuses and decide what birth certificate(s) to order.
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Julian
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6 Jan 2008 22:34 |
Hi Heather. Its only a guess and i know its important to be certain but cant find a Elizabeth Tuttle in trhe records for births in 1874.Her husband was Ernest Fellenor born 1874 so she could have been born the same time.
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Heather
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6 Jan 2008 22:26 |
If you have a marriage you can look on freebmd for the GRO ref and then buy the cert for £7 from GRO - how do you know this is the right Elizabeth Tuttle? Youd need to get the marriage cert and see who the father was and his occupation and THEN look for her as a child.
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Julian
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6 Jan 2008 20:38 |
Hi Heather. Thankyou so much for supplying the information.I have Elisabeth Tuttle on my family tree with the information i got from another member's tree in relation to this person.She had Elisabeth Tuttle born 1874 married to Ernest Fellenor but i could not find Elisabeth Tuttle who was born in 1874 on any record until i changed the birth of her's to 1872 which showed up on record.
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Heather
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6 Jan 2008 18:31 |
The marriage of George and Mary Rolfe (you will need the marriage cert to get her maiden name - this is her second marriage) and her fathers name:
Marriages Mar 1860 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rolfe Mary Hungerford 2c 331 Tuttle George Hungerford 2c 331
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Heather
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6 Jan 2008 18:30 |
There is a tree on ancestry with George:
Name: George Tuttle Birth: 17 Jul 1808 - Wiltshire Parents: Thomas Tuttle, Martha
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Heather
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6 Jan 2008 18:28 |
1851 and yep, a different wife:
ame: Georg Tuttle Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Gender: Male Where born: Grafton, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Shalbourn County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Hungerford Sub-registration district: Kintbury ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 85 Household Members: Name Age Ann Tuttle 8 Georg Tuttle 43 George Tuttle 4 Martha Tuttle 2 Richard Tuttle 6 Sarah Tuttle 32
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Heather
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6 Jan 2008 18:26 |
1861 - 2 Rolfe (?) kids shown are likely Marys kids - and would point to both of them having been married previously: Likely Charles the first "shared" kiddie
Age: 52 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: East Goodton Gt Bedwyn, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Shalbourne County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View Image Registration district: Hungerford Sub-registration district: Kintbury ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 139 Household Members: Name Age John Rolfe 6 Sarah Rolfe 8 Charles Tuttle 1 George Tuttle 52 Martha Tuttle 12 Mary Tuttle 33
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Heather
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6 Jan 2008 18:22 |
1871:
Name: George Tuttle Age: 62 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Great Bedwin, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Shalbourn County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Hungerford Sub-registration district: Kintbury ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 102 Household Members: Name Age
Charles Tuttle 11 Ellen Tuttle 9 months Fanny Tuttle 3 George Tuttle 62 Mary Tuttle 43 Sarah A Tuttle 6 Walter Tuttle 9
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Heather
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6 Jan 2008 18:17 |
Is this them in 1881? I still find Georges age a bit dubious and he is on poor relief - there is also a big gap between the kids - so possibly a second marriage here?
Name: Elizabeth Tuttle Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: George Mother's Name: Mary Gender: Female Where born: Shalbourn, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Shalbourn County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Scholar Registration district: Hungerford Sub-registration district: Kintbury ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Tuttle 21 Elizabeth Tuttle 9 Ellen Tuttle 11 George Tuttle 72 Mary Tuttle 53 Walter Tuttle 19 This looks like the birth ref - you can buy the cert for £7 from GRO online using this ref:
Name: Elizabeth Tuttle Year of Registration: 1872 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Hungerford County: Berkshire, Hampshire, Wiltshire Volume: 2c Page: 249
: George Tuttle Age: 72 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Gender: Male Where born: Grafton, Wiltshire, England Civil Parish: Shalbourn County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Receiving Parish Relief Registration district: Hungerford Sub-registration district: Kintbury ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Tuttle 21 Elizabeth Tuttle 9 Ellen Tuttle 11 George Tuttle 72 Mary Tuttle 53 Walter Tuttle 19 View Original Record
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