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There's this birth on IGI. It's extracted.
Ann Ilston christened 15 May 1803, Barkby. Parents John Ilston & Mary.
Also the marriage.
Ann Illston and James Steell married 20 Feb. 1828, Barkby.

Also from IGI.
Sarah Steele christened 22 Dec.1829, Barkby. Parents James & Ann.

And James' christening:
James Steel, 5 July 1806, Barkby. Parents Thomas & Elizabeth.

Hi Folks

Wow - Just read through & absorbed all the info that you have very kindly found for me!

Have learnt a lot about the 'Steel' family!!!

I now have a few follow on questions (great fun)! :

Thomas Steel born c1832 - I know nothing at all about him - would love to find him in 1961/ 71/ 81 census'.

In 1841 census:
George Illston - I presume is Anns grandfather ( as she is 30 & he is 70) - is a grazier (does he have land?
also, on Anns birth record her father is John Illston & mother is Mary ?

Where are John & Mary in 1841?

In 1851 census:
Henry Bottoms & his family are living with Ann and is described as son-in-law - married to Maria. But Ann doesnt have a daughter Maria (that I know of yet)???
Can anyone find a Maria born to Ann & James Steel? c1825???

Lots of questions - quite intreaging!

All help appreciated. Many thanks.
Gill

I am still looking for :
the birth details of
Maria Steel, born c1825, Barkby,Leics
are her parents: Ann & James. ?? as I think she may be a sister of Thomas.

Hi Gillian
Sent you a pm with some info still looking for the rest

If Diane has sent a pm with information, it means that the rest of us don't know what's already been found so it's not worthwhile to keep looking.

For information this is what I have found so far:

Hi Gillian

If I am right in assuming that the birth record for Ann that you are referring to is in 1803 in Barkby then I have possible censuses for Mary. May be possible that John died before 1837.

?in 1841

Mary Illston
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1781
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: St Margaret With Bishops Fee
Hundred: Leicester Borough
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Illston 60
Mary Ann Illston 2

Mary is listed as independent ie living from own money

in 1851

Mary Illston
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1779
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Lister

Civil Parish: Leicester St Margaret
Town: Leicester
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Leicester
Sub-registration district: East Leicester
ED, institution, or vessel: 31
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Illston 72

Mary listed as a widow living at 3 Bridge Street and was a proprietor of houses

Possible death for Mary
Mary Ilston
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Blaby
County: Leicestershire
Volume: 7a
Page: 23

Been unable to find the Mary Ann listed with Mary in 1841 as yet but possibly granddaughter
Hope this helps

Also a grazier is a person who pastures and raises cattle

Trying to establish the parentage etc of Maria Bottoms born c1825

Maria Steel in 1841

Maria Steel
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Rothley
Hundred: West Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Barrow upon Soar
Sub-registration district: Rothley
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Steel 23
Ann Steel 1
Charles Steel 3
Maria Steel 5
William Steel 25 agricultural labourer
William Steel 7
All family listed as borm in the area
Probably not the right family but will leave in case there is a connection

Hi Margaret & Dianne

Thank you both so much for your help.

Margaret:
earlier - you gave me this:
Ann Ilston christened 15 May 1803, Barkby. Parents John Ilston & Mary.

Up until then, I had believed that MY Ann was born c1811. this would fit with the 1841 census, where she is listed as 30yrs.

I am struggling to make the dates fit for the birth of her dad etc if she was born in 1803.

Is it pos to take a look to see if there were any other births aroun 1810/11ish - for an Ann Illston please?

Hi Dianne

Doesnt look like the right family for me at the moment - It is possible of course that I am wrong about Maria being Thomas' sister.

However the Steel family that you have found is probably related in some way, so I am sure the info will be useful at some point in the futre.
Thank you.
Gill x

There is this Ann

28 JAN 1810 Syston, Leicester, England Parents Edward and Ann

or this
29 NOV 1812 Syston, Leicester, England
with parents Thomas and Mary
but none in this time scale in Barkby the only other Ann Ilsons listed are in 1818 and 1826. The dates given are for the baptisms

Syston is listed as being in the Barrow upon Soar registration district as is Barkby don't know if this helps

Gillian, remember that ages on the 1841 census are rounded down to the nearest 5 for those over 15 years old. If Ann was listed as 30 it means she could have been anything from 30-34 so born 1807-1811.
I know that still doesn't match the 1803 birth that I found, will have another look.
Margaret

Just went to have another look and found the ones that Diane found. Didn't realize that Syston was so close. Could be!
Diane, just notice the 1812 one had parents Thomas & Mary, didn't it?

Death for Maria

Maria Bottoms
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 46
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 122

Possible death for Thomas given that the family were living in Warwickshire in 1861 and have been unable to find him on any other census

Thomas Bottoms
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Birmingham (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 6d
Page: 126

Family in 1861

Name: Henry Bottoms
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Leicester, Leicestershire, England

Civil Parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 77
Household Members: Name Age
Amelia Bottoms 16
Charlotte Bottoms 11
Clara Bottoms 5 Mo
Henry Bottoms 38
Henry Bottoms 5
Maria Bottoms 35
William Bottoms 14

Hi Margaret just checked the Syston 1812 had parents Thomas and Mary not Thomas and Ann so amended posting

Hi everyone

I can see why it is so easy to get 'carried away' with enthusiasm!!!!
when you find out a bit of info that leads you somewhere else - you just want to carry on & on.......... I am really enjoying it - hope you are too.

In the absence of certificates, here are the FACTS so far:

I have in my tree an Ann ? who married James Steel in 1828 in Barkby
I know that they have a daughter - also named Ann c1827 (pos out of wedlock).

In 1861 census, Ann has living with her married daughter Ann, who has married a Thomas Orton and her 2 children Sarah & Thomas. and living with them, her other 3 unmarried daughters.

Ann Orton 34 born Barkby
Sarah Ann Orton 9
Thomas Orton 4
(Anns husband has died)

Ann Steel 60 born Leicester - Widow-head of house - (this makes Anns d.o.b c1801.)

Elizabeth Steel 22 born Barkby
Mary Steel 25 born Barkby
Sarah Steel 31 born Barkby

- having looked through all the finding so far, I believe that this is MY Ann: -
Ann Ilston christened 15 May 1803, Barkby. Parents John Ilston & Mary.

Ann Illston and James Steell married 20 Feb. 1828, Barkby.
(daughter Ann born in c1827)? - out of wed-lock?

The following are NOT facts - just 'guesswork':


1841 Census - not sure this is the right Ann - needs to be confirmed - as I had Anns birth as 1803 not 1811 !
Ann Steel Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Gender: Female
Where born: Leicestershire, England
Civil Parish: Barkby Hundred: East Goscote
County/Island: Leicestershire Country: England
Registration district: Barrow upon Soar
Sub-registration district: Syston
Household Members:
George Hstor 70 (George Illston) Ann's granddad?
Ann Steel 30
Elisabeth Steel 2
Mary Steel 7
Sarah Steel 11
Thomas Steel 9
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 592; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Barkby; County: Leicestershire; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 6; Page: 7; Line: 6; GSU roll: No GSU Number listed for piece: 592.

I think at aged 14 - daughter Ann was living in another household as a servant.

1851 census
New Bridge St., St. Mary, Leicester
Ann Street, head, widow, 50, laundress
Sarah, dau, 21, dressmaker
Thos., son, 19, labourer
Mary, dau, 15, glove stitcher
Elizabeth, dau, 12, glove stitcher
All born Barkby.


All the 'names' fit & George Illston is listed in these census records, BUT, Ann;s estimated birth is 1811 - thats quite a bit out from 1803???

Does anyone have any thoughts?
Gill

The only marriage I can find for a Henry Bottoms in Leicestershire 1841-1851 is
William Henry Bottoms 1844 possible wife Maria Green
Could be a mistake by the enumerator - wrote son-in-law and then realised he was wrong.

Andy

Thanks Andy

I think for now, I will dismiss the idea that Henry & Maria are relatives of the Steele's -

I may come back to them at a later date.

Many thanks for your help.
Gill x