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looking for cyril and doris trott family. children sylvia, valerie and david. lived in the islington area around 1863/4.
any ideas most welcome.

You have put 1963 in title, and 1863 in information. Which is it?
If 1963, what ages were the children then, babies or teenagers, as nothing strikingly obvious for wedding of Cyril Trott to Doris X and children of Trott and X. (And if only there 1963/4 where were they originally from?)
Thanks

I wonder if this is your dad's birth?

England & Wales, Birth Index: 1916-2005
about David S Trodd
Name: David S Trodd
Mother's Maiden Surname: Wheeler
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1939
Registration district: Camberwell
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1d
Page Number: 710 (click to see others on page)

EDIT, likely not right.

Name: David S Trott
Spouse Surname: Parrish
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1960
Registration district: Wood Green
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 5f
Page Number: 1058

the cert. would give Davids age and fathers name and occupation

Jan, David Sidney is Karen's father. Karen was born 1963, so her dad would be born around 1940.

Karen, I can't find any marriage of a Cyril Trott to a lady called Doris. Where have you got these names form?

Jan has put up Karen's parents marriage not Dad's birth.

Wonder if this marriage is anything to do with "doris & Cyril" wonder if C is for Cyril ??

Name: Sidney C Trott
Spouse Surname: Allen
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1937
Registration district: Poplar
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1c
Page Number: 639
Find Spouse: Doris E. Allen


Can't find David Trott with mmn Allen though

Is this your Fathers Death index Karen?
If so we are looking for birth date December 1936 or March 1937 (if it wasn't reg. in time for December)

Name: David Sidney Trott
Birth Date: 15 Nov 1936
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 2001
Age at death (estimated): 64
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Register number: C37
District and Subdistrict: 2381C
Entry number: 158


Best wishes
Barbara

Just putting this down as a Possible --

Name: David S Walker
Mother's Maiden Surname: Walker
Date of Registration: Oct Nov Dec 1936
Registration district: Finsbury
Registration county: Greater London
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 621


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There is a Sylvia and Valerie that I will send by PM

Oops, I missed the wife, sorry Michael.

Barbara, I guess you have it. The two daughters fit. But not found a marriage of Cyril Edward to a Walker yet.

Best I can find:

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Alfred C Trott
Name: Alfred C Trott
Spouse Surname: Walker
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1938
Registration district: Islington
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 728
Find Spouse: Find Spouse

Spouse Ivy E Walker.

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Alfred Cyril Trott
Name: Alfred Cyril Trott
Birth Date: 10 Dec 1913
Death Registration Month/Year: Mar 1991
Age at death (estimated): 77
Registration district: Stevenage
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 1116

AND

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about Ivy Ena Trott
Name: Ivy Ena Trott
Birth Date: 10 Aug 1918
Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1990
Age at death (estimated): 72
Registration district: Stevenage
Inferred County: Hertfordshire
Volume: 10
Page: 947

So how sure are you that your grandmother was called Doris?

Hi Madmeg

found this one that MAY be a Poss. (sent with PM to Karen) --C might just be Cyril ?



Name: Alfred C Trott
Spouse Surname: Walker
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1938
Registration district: Islington
Registration county (inferred): Middlesex
Volume Number: 1b
Page Number: 728
Find Spouse: Ivy E Walker

All the best
Barbara

Karen really needs her Parents marriage cert to verify who he has put down as his father

Your dad's death?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2005
about David Sidney Trott
Name: David Sidney Trott
Birth Date: 15 Nov 1936
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 2001
Age at death (estimated): 64
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London
Register number: C37
District and Subdistrict: 2381C
Entry number: 158

EDIT - ties in with the birth the Barbara found.

Sorry Barbara, got my knickers in a twist, but straightened them out now. I think we have the right people.

EDIT He is middle name Cyril on death.

Hi Madmeg

I put the death index on at 23-16--but at least it looks as if we maybe on the right track when 2 of us are finding the same info--Hope so --I found the Death indexs for Alfred C and Ivy E and agree with you that I also think its the same couple that married in 1938.

All the best
Barbara xx

Yes his middle name is Cyril on Death index--lets keep our fingers crossed its the right ones for Karen--

Best wishes
Barbara x

This is going to be one of those "don't know for sure" situations.

Seems that David Sidney Walker was born to an unmarried mother, presumably Ivy Ena Walker, who shortly after married Alfred Cyril Trott.

I think the birth certificate of David Sidney Walker is needed to see what is on it regarding parentage. His marriage certificate will almost certainly say his father is Alfred Cyril Trott because that was the man he knew as his father, and he may have been his father, but he was not registered in the name of Trott at birth. I'm not saying don't get it, cos it might say something totally different, but if money is not overflowing, I wouldn't give it priority right now.

It is worth getting the birth cert cos I have a couple in my tree where the mother was unmarried and registered the child in her own name, but still named the father on the birth certificate. Of course, if he isn't named we are no wiser. But if he is, it could help us to draw conclusions.

Quite apart from the fact that Karen thinks his mother was called Doris, so even if she is unmarried, it should tell us that she was called Ivy Ena or Ivy at least.

Karen why DO you think the mother was Doris?

Mind you, I have a couple of Doris's in my family who were not registered as Doris at all. A Mabel is one. An Elizabeth is another. Where did Doris come from?

Hi Barbara, after my initial mental block, yes, I think we have the same couple and the same outcome.

We need Karen to see what she thinks.

Margaret

Yes, but I would have got the marriage cert first to see if her father HAD put Alfred Cyril Trott down as his father--then at least she would know the birth cert for 1936 will probably be the right one for her father.
Otherwise the birth cert could still be the wrong one for Karens Dad,

Best Wishes
Barbaraxx

I take your point Barbara, the marriage cert will at least tell us if or if not the father was listed as Mr Trott or not, and will also give Ivy Ena' s father who is as yet unknown.