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You will have to be patient with me as there are so many details here - I will try and keep things as briefly as I can:

1) Alfred William Pyefinch - born 1870 Bengal, India - parents William John Pyefinch and Fanny Pyefinch

2) In 1870 there is a marriage in Bengal,India between William Pyefinch and FANNY LAKE

3) William Pyefinch was in the military - so makes sense why he was abroad

4) Here is them in 1881

Fanny Piefinch
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridgeport, Somerset, England

Civil parish: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 1a Sandy Hill
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William Piefinch 47
Fanny Piefinch 36
Alfred Piefinch 10
Herbert Piefinch 7
Charles Piefinch 5
William Piefinch

*** I think this Should read BRIDPORT DORSET *****

here she is in 1901 (william has died)

Fanny Pyefinck
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Bridport, Dorset, England

Civil parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 274
Household Members:
Name Age
Fanny Pyefinck 54
George Pyefinck 19
Chas Pyefinck 16

5)Here is the problem in 1891 - william says single and staying with him is Frances Pyefinch widower (Now there are many trees on ancestry which states that FANNY was born HANSFORD and she had a sister FRANCES HANSFORD).......where is FANNY in 1891? Can anyone find her?

William H Pyefinch
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Ludlow, Shropshire, England

Civil parish: Woolwich
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Woolwich
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Woolwich
Sub-registration district: Woolwich Arsenal
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
William H Pyefinch 55
Frances F Pyefinch 44
Herbert E Pyefinch 16
Frederick Pyefinch 15
William J Pyefinch 11
George R Pyefinch 9
Charles Pyefinch 6

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6) Going back to the marriage she is under the name LAKE......there is a alfred LAKE/ fanny HANSFORD marriage before 1870 so she could have been a widowerwhen she married William Pyefinch but they continue together long after this time so that is not her............can anyone help me out! Is she really a HANSFORD or a LAKE?............and what is happening on the 1891 census?

this is really hard!!!........seems like there are not many missing links...... but it just doesnt tie in at the moment!!! there seems to be 3 or 4 possible births for fanny Hansford in Bridport.........the MC is abroad so I havent a copy to say who her father was

Fanny Hansford 1848 Apr-May-Jun Dorset
Fanny Hansford 1852 Apr-May-Jun Dorset
Fanny Elizabeth Hansford 1854 Oct-Nov-Dec Dorset
Fanny Hansford 1855 Oct-Nov-Dec Dorset

Fanny Hansford Pedigree
Female
Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 31 JUL 1844 Loders, Dorset, England


Father: Job Hansford Family
Mother: Sarah Lathey

Loders is a spit from Bridport, as is Bradpole
But....................

Frances Hansford Pedigree
Female


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 20 AUG 1845 St Mary'S, Bridport, Dorset, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Mother: Mary Hansford

so..........does everyone think the Fanny Lake is not the correct marriage........there seems to be alot of LAKES in Bridport which makes me wonder!!!!!! And what is happening on the 1891 census?

Thats the marriage I found...... Alfred and Fanny Lake carry on in 1881, 1891, 1901 etc etc so its not them!!!!!!!!!!

The christening in Lodgers doesnt tie in with any of the birth records as it was in1844

IF FANNY AND FRANCES ARE SISTERS.......I CANNOT FIND THEM TOGETHER ON ANY CENSUS UNDER THE NAME HANSFORD.......I THOUGHT MAYBE WILLIAM PYEFINCH MAY HAVE HAD A BROTHER WHO MARRIED A FRANCES BUT IT SAYS SHE WAS BORN BRIDPORT DORSET WHICH TIES IN WITH FANNY/FRANCES .......I'M STUMPED!!

HI SOMERSET GIRL - THATS THE ONE I POSTED PREVIOUSLY.....AND WHERE THE PROBLEM LIES!

Out of interest Alfred names his first daughter Frances............its making me wonder if Frances and Fanny are the same person........and that it could be an error on the census..............

oh no somersetgirl..........thats a problem!!!!!!!!!!!! as William was born in Ludlow........but son Alfred was born way earlier!.......Fanny must have been in India for Albert to have been born there so hence I followed the india marriage........who knows - either could actually be right!

on www.fibis.org

Have you got the birth certificates of any of the children? It will give mothers maiden name

Births Jun 1874
Pyefinch Herbert Edward Woolwich 1d 992

Deaths Sep 1920
PYEFINCH Fanny 75 Woolwich 1d 898

I'll order the certificate, thanks

VERY INTERESTING..........on ancestry records

Herbert Edward Pyefinch Baptism 10 Jun 1874 William John Pyefinch,Frances Pyefinch Saint John, Woolwich Greenwich


PLEASE CAN ANYONE CHECK THIS ON ANCESTRY - I AM HAVING TROUBLE READING IT! SEARCH FOR HERBERT PYEFINCH IN ENGLAND ONLY - NO COUNTIES 1870-1880......THEN IT WILL COME UP WITH LONDON ENGLAND BIRTHS AND BAPTISMS 1813-1906........YOU CAN VIEW THE ORIGINAL RECORD........WHAT DOES IT SAY NEXT TO FRANCES.....LOOKS LIKE MARY IN BRACKETS TO ME!??? THIS MAY BE ANOTHER CLUE!

So, the 1891 census looks correct...........but why does it say sister in law and william single........how could it be SO wrong?

Just one other point, it says Francis F - where did middle initial come from?

Can anyone read and double check the original baptism record on ancestry for me .....PLEASE :o)

with regards the middle initial F.....this could be wrong as Williams middle name is John and there has been errors on some of his census with regards initials.......he is down on that one as William H....when it should be William J

So, ok fanny is a nickname for Frances.....but why on 1891 does it say sister in law????????????

I was referring to Francis F on the 1891

PYEFINCH, Francis F Sister In Law Widow F 44 1847 House Duty
Bridford
Dorsetshire

Hi Stephen
i have a gerald pyefinch in my tree born Lambeth 1867 he married one of my ancestors. quite an unusual name i thought, wondered if there was any connection x

I have looked at the image Stephen and I really cannot make it out... dratt!!!!

All I can say is that I do NOT think it is Mary. - If you compare it to the rest of the handwriting on the page, the 'lines' of the first letter are too straight for an 'M'. The top of the letter resembles his letter 'H' or even an 'F' but it is too 'blurry' to make it out.

I have stared at it for ages but can't see it. I will have another look later.

Sorry,

Dea x

thanks Dea, I couldnt make it out either......and I put it on the maximum size!

This is George's christening:


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about George Richard Pyefinch
Name: George Richard Pyefinch
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 11 Sep 1881
Father's Name: William John Pyefinch
Mother's Name: Frances Fanny Pyefinch
Parish: Saint John, Woolwich
Borough: Greenwich
County: Middlesex


address:-

1A South*****
Iona Place
Sandy Hill

hi hot choc.........havent stumbled across a gerald yet but there maybe a link....do you know who his parents were?

that makes sense that she was frances fanny pyefinch........need to order one of the certificates to get her maiden name!

why sisterinlaw on 1891 census? and william as single?