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There's a Harry Yopp but his grandfather is Thomas:

1881 England Census
about Harry Yopp
Name: Harry Yopp
Age: 3
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street Address: 271 New Town Row
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Yopp 55
Selina Yopp 51
Thomas Yopp 18
Ada E. Yopp 11
Charlotte Yopp 9
Joseph Yopp 7
Harry Yopp 3
Ann Wooley 40
Sarah Besley 45
William Botes 20

Rose

The ages are out in 1891:

Births Mar 1882
Roath Alice Elizabeth Birmingham 6d 117

Births Mar 1884
Roath Dessey Rosanna Birmingham 6d 125

Rose

Here's the Inwood connection:


Marriages Jun 1861
Bettridge Selina Diana Aston 6d 328
Yapp Thomas Aston 6d 328

Marriages Jun 1848
BETTRIDGE Selina Dinah Kings Norton 18 502
INWOOD Robert Kings Norton 18 502

Rose

From IGI:

ALICE MARY ANNE INWOOD
Event(s):
Birth: 06 NOV 1853

Christening: 07 DEC 1853 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Parents:
Father: ROBERT INWOOD
Mother: SELINA

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:



The birth is under Inswood on FreeBMD.

Rose

OOops! Look what the fairies have found out while I was asleep in bed!
Thanks for that input Viv and Rose. I have to sit and think about that one a bit....
I think Alice and Harry are only half brother/sister as Harry came to the marriage with his mother.
Dessey was definitely Bert's sister and was deaf and dumb.
Alice and Leah were definitely Bert's sisters as I have post cards from them in 1907 (eat your heart out~!!!)
Frank was Bert's brother as I have a post card from him in 1908 and he died on board the Bulwark in 1914.
Harry was talked about a lot and I have his funeral card as Harry Yapp

hmmm
Jill

OK, I've thought......
I'm sure the Yapp /Inwood connection has solved it. I'm trying to think about which cert to send for.....

I have Dessey's death cert and her date of birth was given as 13 Dec 1883

Alice Roath was therefore born Inwood but also used her stepfather's name of Yapp.

Thanks Janet and everyone,
Which cert shall I send for do you think?
Jill

Is it a birth cert. you're after?

Rose

Not sure that 1853 birth I found is the one:

1871 England Census
about Alice Tapp
Name: Alice Tapp
[Alice Yapp]
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Selina
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Paul
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Tapp 44
Selina Tapp 44
Alice Tapp 14
Eleanor Tapp 11
Thomas Tapp 9
Ada Tapp 3
Charlotte Tapp 1

Rose

Selina and Robert in 1851:

1851 England Census
about Selina Jorwood
Name: Selina Jorwood
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Philip
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Jorwood 39
Selina Jorwood 23


Rose

Hmmm.

Think Robert Inwood never died. That might explain why Selina married under her maiden name the second time.

1861 England Census
about Robert Inwood
Name: Robert Inwood
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 841/2
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Inwood 50
Eliza Inwood 25 sister
Robert Inwood 10
Thomas Inwood 5

Rose

Eleanor was an Inwood too:

ELEANOR MATILDA INWOOD

Christening:
24 JUN 1860 St John, Deritend And Bordesley, Warwick, England


Parents:
Father: ROBERT INWOOD
Mother: SELINA

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C069811

Can't find her birth registration on FreeBMD though.

Rose

Here's another:

CHARLOTTE DINAH INWOOD

Christening:
21 NOV 1858 St John, Deritend And Bordesley, Warwick, England

Parents:
Father: ROBERT INWOOD
Mother: SELINAH

Births Dec 1858
Inwood Charlotte Dinah Birmingham 6d 89

Rose

I suspect all the following are Selina and Robert's children:

Births Mar 1850
Inwood Selina Diana Birmingham 16 406

Deaths Sep 1850
INWOOD Selina Dianna Birmingham 16 252


Births Sep 1851
Inwood Robert Richard Betteridge Birmingham 16 397

Births Dec 1853
INSWOOD Alice Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 80

Births Mar 1856
INWOOD George Walter Birmingham 6d 95

Births Mar 1858
Inwood Selina Birmingham 6d 81

Deaths Mar 1858
Inwood Selina Birmingham 6d 47

Births Dec 1858
Inwood Charlotte Dinah Birmingham 6d 89

Plus Eleanor around 1860.

Rose

Finally found them in 1861! Selina is a naughty woman:

1861 England Census
about Selina Pratt
Name: Selina Pratt
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 88
Household Members: Name Age
Selina Pratt 26
Charlotte Dinah Pratt 2
Helena Matilda Pratt 10 Mo

She claims to be widowed.

I wonder if Charlotte Dinah later becomes known as Alice?


Rose

Wow Rose!!!
Sorry I have been away as Sunday is a busy day for an organist!
Thanks a million.
I really wish my aunty Grace Roath was still alive as she would have been fascinated by all this as it has been an ongoing family mystery.
It's no good - I'll have to get Ancestry. The spelling variations make it worth its weight in gold.
Thanks so much - I've spent hours on this to no avail so far. You have really given me a leg up!
Jill

My head is spinning with all this! I can't even begin to think how I am going to record all this!
How/where should I start???
What certificates will give me any sort of proof or further information ?
I can't tell you how grateful I am Rose!
Jill

I'm surprised you're grateful Jill! I've uncovered more of a mess.

What was Robert Inwood's occupation and where was Alice living when she married in 1882 and who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Things I can't figure out right now are:

1) What happened to Alice Mary Ann born 1853?

2) Is Charlotte Dinah your Alice? There's a Charlotte Yapp born c1870 but I don't see her birth.

Rose

I'm rather thrilled with the "mess" Rose. I'm quite pleased to have found a 'black sheep' and even more of a mystery. I've been sitting today with all the facts in front of me and wondering which way to jump.
You have convinced me that I 'need' Ancestry - so I hope you get commission from them!!! :)
There is no hint of a second name on my Alice and I can't see how you think she might be Charlotte......
The family always had suspicions about Alice though, but she died when my grandad was quite young and the new wife (Anniie Roath) wanted him out of the house - presumably when little Willie was born.
All grist to the mill, Rose!
love
Jill