Genealogy Chat

Hi Georgina I was following this thread last night and I was looking for George and young Eliza in 1891. Carol has said that she thinks George E and Edward are the same person.

Heather I missed that bit of info, can you find another marriage for Eliza Winn? Georgina.

Georgina I haven't found a marriage to Joseph Maddox/Maddocks. Daughter Annie Maddox married a Hall, I think, from Carol's info.

I have found the daughters marriage in 1911 but it looks like the mother never married Mr Maddocks she may have just taken his name? Georgina.

Can anyone find Joseph Maddox/Maddocks before 1891?

This birth certificate may help (although they may have fibbed!) William Charles Maddox Year of Registration: 1889 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: West Ham County: Essex, Greater London Volume: 4a Page: 157

Carol if you are about what was Joseph Maddocks occupation on Annies marriage certificate? Georgina.

This is Carol's earlier post Georgina, this is where it starts to get confusing. Marriage of James William Hall and Annie Winn. Fathers names: James William Hall & Joseph Winn. According to Annie's birth cert, she was born Annie Elizabeth Maddocks. Father Joseph Maddocks. Mother: Eliza Maddocks, late Winn, formerley Athill. The 1901 census contradicts Eliza's surname, on census she is Eliza Winn. - Carol I think Annie was registered Maddocks but parent's didn't marry then Joseph died and Eliza reverted to Winn and the childen were known as Winn also....then Annie married as Annie Winn but gave her father's christian name Joseph.....

This looks like a possible death for Joseph...... Deaths Dec 1898 (>99%) Maddocks Joseph 50 W. Ham 4a 37 Georgina.

Helllio Georgina & Heather, thankyou for trying to help, I know this is all confusing. On Annie Winn's marriage cert 1911, her father is stated as Joseph Winn, Occupation Labourer. Will be going out for the day now, I'll check replies later. Thanks again in advance - Carol... P.S sorry Helen, missed your message. I'd like to thank you also for your help. - Carol

Heather, just seen your message, I think you are right about changing the childrens names to Winn. Could I find out if this was done legally or not, or should I just leave it at that? - Carol

Carol I agree with Heather, I think Eliza married William Winn & had children with him & then when he died she began a relationship with Joseph Maddocks but never married him and then after he died in 1898 she started using her married surname & that is why she is back to Winn in 1901. The children probably used the surname Winn after their fathers death because their mother was using it. Georgina.

Same in my husband's family, his great grandmother was married, had two children, husband died, she then had one by the son of the house she worked in, with her married name on the childs birth certificate, but no fathers name. Had to leave house, as was done in those days . Family say was a Lords house? Then had another child and had her married name on birth cerificate, no fathers name. She then met someone, and they lived together and had a family, her name then of this man, and the children's birth certifiates with the name of their father. On all the census all the family took the name of the man she was living with, even the two by her husband. No marriage ever found, and of course not mentioned, as frowned upon in those days. Maureen