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I think this might be Catherine and parents in census 1851:

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census

Staindrop Hall, Teesdale, Durham, England

Robert Smailes Head Married Male 28 1823 Wood Dealer Newcastle on Tyne, Northumberland, England
Mary Smailes Wife - Female 22 1829 - Staindrop, Durham, England
Catharine Smailes Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Staindrop, Durham, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Adam Smailes Father Widower Male 60 1791 Wood Dealer Scotland

Marriage of Robert and Mary ? (Teesdale covers Staindrop)

Marriages Dec 1849 (>99%)
Blenkinsop Robert Teesdale 24 359
Copeland Mary Teesdale 24 359 <<<<<<<<<<<
Johnson William Teesdale 24 359
Maugham Sarah Teesdale 24 359
Richardson Jane Teesdale 24 359
SEDGWICK RALPH Teesdale 24 359
Smales Robert Teesdale 24 359 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Stevens Margaret Teesdale 24 359

Burial of first Thomas:

County Durham
Place Staindrop
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 1060
BurialDate 04 Dec 1881
Forename Thomas
Relationship
Rel1MaleForename
Rel1FemaleForename
Rel1Surname
Surname WILSON
Age 2
Abode Staindrop
Notes
FileNumber 3665

Baptism for the first Thomas:

County Durham
Place Staindrop
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 1723
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 03 Jan 1880
Forename Thomas
Sex M
FatherForename George
MotherForename Caherine
FatherSurname WILSON
MotherSurname
Abode Staindrop
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 3694

Henry/Harry:

County Durham
Place Staindrop
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 1770
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 17 Jun 1881
Forename Henry
Sex M
FatherForename George
MotherForename Catherine
FatherSurname WILSON
MotherSurname
Abode Staindrop
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 3694

Margaret

County Durham
Place Staindrop
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 1927
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 17 Apr 1885
Forename Margaret
Sex F
FatherForename George
MotherForename Catherine
FatherSurname WILSON
MotherSurname
Abode Staindrop
FatherOccupation Labourer
Notes
FileNumber 3694

Freereg has this baptism:


County Durham
Place Staindrop
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 1534
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 10 Feb 1875
Forename John
Sex M
FatherForename
MotherForename Catherine
FatherSurname
MotherSurname SMYLES
Abode Staindrop
FatherOccupation
Notes See also baptism for William SMYLES on same date
FileNumber 3694


and the one for William:

County Durham
Place Staindrop
Church St Mary
RegisterNumber 1533
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 10 Feb 1875
Forename William
Sex M
FatherForename
MotherForename Catherine
FatherSurname
MotherSurname SMYLES
Abode Staindrop
FatherOccupation
Notes See also baptism for John SMYLES on same date
FileNumber 3694


Free site: http://www.freereg.org.uk/ (mentioned previously by DetEcTive)
Fits in with what Rose said about John (also William) being born before the marriage of their mother to George Wilson.

but almost everyone was illiterate in the early years of the 19th century :-S :-S :-S :-S

Hi Margee seems that the NA are being a little contradictory... :-S

From 1841 to 1901 a census schedule was completed for each household, and was then collected by the enumerator who copied the information into an enumeration book. It is these enumeration books that we consult today online and on microfilm.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/census-returns.htm

Also piccie from 1851 showing "head of house" filling in Census schedule

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/keepsafe/asset/details/10295713

I don't know which one of us has to stand corrected, Budgie Rustler.

From this site:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/education/resources/19th-century-people/

Everyone in Great Britain is counted on the same night. We fill in our own census forms today, but in Victorian times a census enumerator called at every house and filled in the census forms for them.

And from this site:
http://www.sog.org.uk/learn/help-getting-started-with-genealogy/guide-four

Schedules were taken round to each household in advance and details of all the people in the house on census night were filled in by the householder. The forms were then collected by the census enumerator, who might also have to assist in recording details if the householder had difficulty in doing so

You only have to work out how much time he would have to spend at some ones abode before travelling to the next abode to realise how it would be too time consuming for one person to do.

All the enumerator did was collect the filled in schedules from each house. And the rest was done back at the office so as to speak. :-)

I`m sure if you do some googling you`ll find out if I am right or wrong.
If you do find I`m wrong, I will stand corrected.

At least one person on this thread is using census transcripts from Ancestry, but they would basically be the same as on GR.

The Birth and Marriage is from the free site http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Again, the index will be on GR.

Different members have access to different subscription sites - originally GR didn't have any records hence the longer serving members tend to rely on Ancestry for research.
No one site has all available on-line records. One person's subs compliments another's. ;-)

Hi Margee ,
Yes I`m certain about the comments I made to John about who filled in the schedule at an occupancy.

I think once the enumerator had checked them and copied/transcribed them into his book they (the schedules) were probably destroyed, and they were the "original" census forms.

The enumerators book ie the digitized ones you see on line are transcribed copies of the original schedule forms.

Yes, there was something different about the 1911 Census, I think maybe the "original" 1911 schedule forms are being kept/stored/digitized maybe all three I don't really know on that count. :-)

Up to c1901 the census was indeed filled out by the enumerator. That is why the handwriting for a page is all the same even though a page may include several households. In c1841-71 a good chunk of the population were illiterate.

SMILES John 1875 Teesdale 10a 335.?

Johns birth,

The Smiles children appear to be stepchildren of G Wllson.

Marriage.

Smiles Catherine 1877 Teesdale 10a 338.
Wilson George 1877 Teesdale 10a 338.

Are you sure of your facts there, Budgie Rustler? I understood that the 1911 census was the first one that the householder was asked to fill in themselves. Up until that time I believe that the enumerator did indeed come to the door and ask the questions mainly because a great percentage of the population were illiterate.

I am amazed and very grateful at how quickly I received replies about my Grandfather.
A lot of information to take in which I need to study and digest.
I assume you are using additional web sites other than Genes Reunited.
Thanks again.

John F Wilson

Hi john,
information in any Census is not always 100% accurate, it depends on what is known by whoever fills the schedule in.

Usually a member of the household or a relative or, even one of the parents children could do the honour's and fill in the relative schedule.
They were not filled in by an Enumerator knocking on your door,he just collected the completed papers and collated and copied the info into book form.

There are so many more factors that have to be taken into consideration many untruths and some forgetfulness come into the equation.
But its fun working the truth out. (if you can) :-)

1881 England Census about John Smiles
Name: John Smiles
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship to Head: Son in Law
Gender: Male
Where born: Staindrop, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Staindrop
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address: Southside (73 Black Swan Inn)
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Teesdale
Sub registration district: Staindrop
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4932
Folio: 41
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wilson 39
Catherine Wilson 29
William Smiles 8
John Smiles 6
George Smiles 4
Mary Wilson 3
Thomas Wilson 1

This one is the right district

Births Dec 1874 (>99%)

SMILES John Teesdale 10a 335 ( covers Staindrop)

On that 1891 census the image has John William and George as surname Smiles

The marriage of mother Catherine Smiles to George was after the birth of John so he should be reg as Smiles not Wilson?

Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)

Smiles Catherine Teesdale 10a 338
WILSON George Teesdale 10a 338

Record Transcription
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1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
First Name JOHN
Last Name WILSON
Birth Year 1876
Age 25
Birth Town Staindrop
Birth County Durham
Birth Place England
Relationship To Head of Household SON-IN-LAW
Gender Male
Occupation PLASTERER
Condition MARRIED
Street
Parish HARTLEY
Town SEATON SLUICE
City
County Northumberland
Country ENGLAND
Ecclesiastical District DELAVAL OUR LADY
Enumeration District 12
Municipal Ward
Parliamentary Borough WANSBECK
Registration District TYNEMOUTH
Category Census, Land & Surveys
Record set 1901 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Collections from Great Britain
Archive Reference RG13
Folio 52
Page 24
Piece Number 4809


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Just for ref is it this one you are looking for?

1891 England Census about John Wilson
Name: John Wilson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George Wilson
Mother's name: Catherine Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Staindrop, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Staindrop
Ecclesiastical parish: Staindrop
Town: Staindrop
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Teesdale
Sub registration district: Staindrop
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4079
Folio: 113
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wilson 50
Catherine Wilson 41
William Wilson 18
John Wilson 16
George Wilson 14
Mary Wilson 13
Harry Wilson 11
Alice Wilson 8
Margaret Wilson 6
Thomas Wilson 1