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3 Feb 2016 22:55 |
Frederick Swinton lived in Grove, Dorset, in 1901. Former Occupation: Warehouseman. Convict in Dorset.
If anyone is related or knows anything about this man. It has been said he could be Alijah Swinton, born 1864 in Billinghay, but changed his name when he went to London, after leaving his family in Nottingham.
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3 Feb 2016 23:30 |
If he did leave them was he back in Nottingham in 1911?
Aliyah Swinton [Ahijah Swinton] Age in 1911: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Billinghay, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Nottingham County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Street address: 20a Lammas St Nottingham Marital Status: Married Occupation: Curtain Warehousemaid - could be warehouse man Registration district: Nottingham Registration District Number: 430 Sub-registration district: Nottingham South East ED, institution, or vessel: 18 Piece: 20531
Aliyah Swinton 47 Ada Mary Swinton 47 Harold James Swinton 21 Charles Stanley Swinton 19 Ethel Mary Swinton 17
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3 Feb 2016 23:35 |
Ada was back with her mother in 1901
Ada Swinton [Ada Witty] Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation to Head: Daughter Gender: Female Mother: Ann Witty Birth Place: Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England Civil Parish: Nottingham Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Nottingham County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England
Registration district: Nottingham Sub-registration district: Nottingham South East ED, institution, or vessel: 22 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3171 Folio: 72 Page Number: 11 Household schedule number: 73
Ann Witty 73 Ada Swinton 40 - supported by her mother Harold Swinton 11 Stanley Swinton 9 Ethel Swinton 7
Unless the trial records give an alias for Ailijah, it going to be almost impossible to find out if he and Frederick are the same person
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3 Feb 2016 23:48 |
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Frederick Swinton Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation to Head: Convict (Prisoner) Gender: Male Birth Place: Billinghay, Lincolnshire, England Civil Parish: Portland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Grove County/Island: Dorset Country: England
Weymouth Sub-registration district: Portland ED, institution, or vessel: Portland Convict Estabishment
Piece: 1997 Folio: 105 Page Number: 16 Household schedule number: 1
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3 Feb 2016 23:59 |
CHARGE OF MURDER. Frederick Swinton, 31, was committed for trial North London Police-court to-day, charged with, wilfully murdering Lucy Delfosse. a woman with whom he lived. Prisoner pleaded not guilty, urging that the deceased injured herself while... June 11, 1895 - Nottingham Evening Post - Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, England
Frederick Swinton, who deserted his wife and children at Nottingham, was sentenced to 15 years' penal servitude the Old Bailey to-day for the manslaughter of Lucy Delfosse, the widow of a Board of Trade official, with whom he cohabited June 21, 1895 - Lincolnshire Echo - Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England ............... Although age 31 in 1895 does match with a birth in 1864, the prison records should have the correct age.
EDIT - the age on the 1901 Portland census has been incorrectly transcribed. It should read age 37 which does tie in.
Its possible its the same person, but how do you prove it?
Derby Daily Telegraph June 22, 1895 says he was a native of Nottingham. Had he raised his family there?
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4 Feb 2016 00:20 |
here's the full story of his trial from the Old Bailey Proceedings
http://www.oldbaileyonline.org/browse.jsp?id=t18950617-532-offence-1&div=t18950617-532#highlight
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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4 Feb 2016 07:59 |
Looks like he had a brother Frederick who died
FREDERICK WILLIAM Last name SWINTON Birth year 1863 Death year 1866 Age 3 Burial year 1866 Burial day 20 Burial month 5 Place BILLINGHAY Church description ST MICHAEL Church denomination ANGLICAN County Lincolnshire Country England Record set National Burial Index for England & Wales Category Birth, Marriage, Death & Parish Records Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from Great Britain Lincolnshire Family History Society
Perhaps he took on the name as a cover when he went to london
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4 Feb 2016 08:15 |
Frederick was released from Prison on 29 Sep 1906; his intended address was Church Army, London and his Occupation given as Warehouseman
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4 Feb 2016 10:57 |
he died in London
First name(s) AHIJAH Last name SWINTON Gender Unknown Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1865 Age 57 Death quarter 2 Death year 1922 District LAMBETH County London Volume 1D Page 351 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007
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4 Feb 2016 11:10 |
First name(s) CHARLES S Last name SWINTON Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1892 Age 69 Death quarter 2 Death year 1961 District NOTTINGHAM County Nottinghamshire Volume 3C Page 371 Country England
First name(s) HAROLD J Last name SWINTON Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1890 Age 73 Death quarter 1 Death year 1963 District LEICESTER County Leicestershire Volume 3A Page 801 Country England
First name(s) ETHEL MARY Last name SWINTON Birth year 1893 Birth quarter 4 Registration month - Mother's last name - District NOTTINGHAM County Nottinghamshire Country England Volume 7B Page 385 Record set England & Wales births 1837-2006
First name(s) ETHEL M Last name SWINTON Marriage quarter 1 Marriage year 1914 Registration month - MarriageFinderâ„¢ ETHEL M SWINTON married LESLIE M SEWARD Spouse's last name SEWARD District NOTTINGHAM District number - County Nottinghamshire Country England Volume 7B Page 449
????? First name(s) ETHEL M Last name SEWARD Gender Female Birth day - Birth month - Birth year 1893 Age 34 Death quarter 1 Death year 1927 District HAMMERSMITH County London Volume 1A Page 395 Country England
several children for ethel
Births Sep 1914 (>99%) Seward Ethel A Swinton Nottingham 7b 800
Births Mar 1916 (>99%) Seward Winifred N Swinton Nottingham 7b 634
Births Dec 1921 (>99%) Seward Phyllis Swinton Nottingham 7b 641
Births Jun 1923 (>99%) Seward Ronald Swinton Nottingham 7b 546
wonder if any of his childrens descendants know the story
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Keith
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4 Feb 2016 20:13 |
Wow, such a lot of information members have found. I wonder if he did use his deceased brothers name when he went to London, then reverted back to Elijah when he returned home! but then he returned to London, as he died there. I wonder of it is possible to find out from the Old Bailey records if he did use a false name. I have traced his grandchildren, but they hace now died. I need to find their offspring. Many thanks foe everyone who has taken the time to do all the research on this. I would love it if Frederick and Elijah are one and the same!
Regards Sandra
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SylviaInCanada
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4 Feb 2016 20:18 |
Sandra ..................
I read the records from the Old Bailey ............ just click on the link and read them for yourself!
It is a free site.
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4 Feb 2016 20:41 |
Having read the Old Bailey transcript, it seems that quite a lot has been omitted. For instance, one of the papers quoted last night says that he had abandoned his wife and family in Nottingham. If that came out during the Court proceedings, it hasn't been transcribed.
If Frederick *was* an alias, then he stuck to his story. The Courts would have charged him under both names. Similarly, he'd have been recorded on the Prison Roll under his known birth name. It would appear that he said he was Frederick, and that's the name used throughout.
The full trial records, were ever they are held, might shed more light, but its unlikely.
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4 Feb 2016 22:12 |
Detective:: that is the puzzling bit, the newspapers and the Old Bailey report never mention the name (Elijah). It seems to point that they may be one and the same, but who knows. Unfortunately, many of his descendants are no longer with us. It may be one of those unsolved mysteries
Sandra
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5 Feb 2016 02:28 |
I have just found this in Genes Reunited. Marcel and his Dad Bernard are Grandson and great grandson of Alijah Swinton. I can't access it, I'm subscribed to Myheritage and Newspaper Archives, but nothing on there. Would appreciate it anyone could open it . Many thanks
Nottingham Evening Post Nottingham Evening Post Nottinghamshire, England 16 Sep 1949
A TOUCH OF NOTTINGHAM IN CHICAGO and father and 10 year-old brother Pat flew to America. Next to cross the Atlantic were her brother-in-law, Mr. Swinton, and his son Marcel, aged three. Her sister, Mrs. Swmton, will complete the family ermgration when she sails on the s.s. Washington
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5 Feb 2016 04:41 |
someone else will have to see if they can clip it for you
I found it on FMP, which of course is where GR gets its records from
The gist of it is ..............
Mrs Carl Olson is manageress of a lounge in a skyscraper hotel, and is going to decorate it with interior photographs of Nottingham pubs.
She was a Miss Davis lived at 20 Ilkeston Road, Nottingham before emigrating to marry a GI ca 1947. Her brother Malcolm Davis joined her about 18 months before the date of the article.
He was then followed by their mother, father and 10 year old brother Pat.
Next were "her brother-in-law Mr Swinton and his son Marcel, aged three."
With Mrs Swinton on the SS Washington when it sails on October 7 will be her children, David 5 and Bridget, 12 months
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5 Feb 2016 08:18 |
One thing to note is that his first name was 'Ahijah' not 'Elijah'. Both his Birth and Death Registrations refer to him as 'Ahijah' which is an actual name.
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5 Feb 2016 10:44 |
In case you haven't figured it out Sandra........here is the connection........
Charles Stanley Swinton born 1892 (Son of Ahijah and Ada Mary (Witty) Swinton) married in 1916
Marriages Dec 1916 (>99%) Deane Mary L Swinton Nottingham 7b 644 Swinton Charles S Deane Nottingham 7b 644
Mary Deane had been married before.......
Marriages Dec 1909 (>99%) ATKINSON Mary Elizabeth Nottingham 7b 828 (I'm thinking Elizabeth should be Lizzie?) DEANE James Henry Nottingham 7b 828
Son Bernard's birth was registered under Mary's maiden name.......
Bernard Swinton in the England & Wales, Birth Index, 1916-2005 Name: Bernard Swinton Mother's Maiden Surname: Atkinson Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1917 Registration district: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire Volume Number: 7b Page Number: 562
He married with the middle initial "S"......
Marriages Mar 1943 (>99%) Swinton Bernard S Thompson Nottingham 7b 593 Thompson Bridget E Swinton Nottingham 7b 593
You can check out the births of their children on this free site......
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
Bernard Swinton in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Bernard Swinton Gender: Male Age: 32 Birth Date: abt 1917 Departure Date: 28 May 1949 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: New York, USA Ship Name: Queen Mary Shipping line: Cunard White Star Limited Official Number: 164282 Master: G E Cove
Bernard Swinton 32 Engineer (Last Address in UK: 20 Tipeston Road, Nottingham) Marcel Swinton 3 Child
Births Sep 1926 (>99%) Thompson Bridget E Leman Nottingham 7b 608
Bridget Swinton in the UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 Name: Bridget Swinton Gender: Female Age: 23 Birth Date: abt 1926 Departure Date: 7 Oct 1949 Port of Departure: Southampton, England Destination Port: New York, USA Ship Name: Washington Shipping line: United States Lines Official Number: 232210 Master: Harold Milde
Bridget Swinton 23 H'Wife (Last Address in UK: 20 Olkeston Road, Nottingham) David Swinton 5 Bridget Swinton 1
Re: Mary Atkinson.......
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Births Mar 1892 (>99%) Atkinson Mary Lizzie Bingham 7b 419
Deaths Mar 1967 (>99%) Mary L Swinton in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Mary L Swinton Birth Date: abt 1893 Date of Registration: Mar 1967 Age at Death: 74 Registration district: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 3c Page: 275
Charles S Swinton in the England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2007 Name: Charles S Swinton Birth Date: abt 1892 Date of Registration: Jun 1961 Age at Death: 69 Registration district: Nottingham Inferred County: Nottinghamshire Volume: 3c Page: 371
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5 Feb 2016 12:51 |
I wonder if this is Bernard's death.......
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Name: Bernard Stanley Swinton Birth Date: 3 May 1917 Date of Registration: Dec 2000 Age at Death: 83 Registration district: Glamorgan Inferred County: Glamorgan Register Number: D13A District and Subdistrict: 8911D Entry Number: 25
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5 Feb 2016 13:51 |
Not sure if anyone has sent you the image - one now as attachment in your 'in-box'. Better duplicates than none at all!
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