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My Grt Grandmother appears as Jane on her marriage certificate, death certificate and all the census records.

She was the eldest child born 1852/1853 Liskeard, Cornwall.

All her siblings births were registered but there is no birth registered for Jane.

There are several variations of her mothers maiden name.

Prynn/Pryn/Prinn/Prin

Soooo, messing about on the GRO this morning, i checked out births (Male and Female) between 1852 to 1871, by just entering the surname Hancock and all variations of Prynn.

And .......up popped

Births Jun 1852 (>99%)
HANCOCK Philippa Jane MMN Prin Liskeard 5c 71

Apart from the birth registration, there are no other records showing for this Philippa...so just to be certain and fingers crossed, i have ordered a PDF copy of the certificate.

If it is her, what a shame to drop the name Philippa.

I also found two more children i didn't know about......

Births Jun 1857 (>99%)
Hancock Martha Donaldson MMN Prin Liskeard 5c 82

:-(

Deaths Dec 1857 (>99%)
Hancock Martha Donaldson Liskeard 5c 49

And......

Births Mar 1862 (>99%)
HANCOCK John Albert MMN Prinn Liskeard 5c 67

:-(

Deaths Mar 1863 (>99%)
HANCOCK John Albert Liskeard 5c 47

One minute i was smiling :-D.... next minute sad :-(

Is it a Cornish thing?
My great grandfather appears on his marriage certificate to my g grandmother, birth certificate of my gran and death certificate as Sidney Johnson.
I couldn't find him on any census, but knew he had a sister called Beatrice, so looked for her.
Sidney's name was Gifford/Gilford!
His brothers - christened Sylvanus and Ivor, were known as Herbert and Frederick!
The other brother, Ernest, stuck to his given name.

When my g gran died, Sidney/Gilford, remarried as Gilford, but joined the Army as Sidney. :-S :-S

I know what you mean about it being a "Cornish thing" Maggie.

My Prynn's have been a nightmare to research over the years.

:-|

Her below PH?...

Chris :)

Baptism
Day Month 26-Sep
Year 1852
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Philippa Jane
Surname HANCOCK
Sex dau
Father Forename William
Mother Forename Betsy
Residence Menheniot
Father Rank Profession miner

http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/

(worth a look round on above!)


Baptism
Day Month 09-Apr
Year 1857
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Martha Dorington
Surname HANCOCK
Sex dau
Father Forename William
Mother Forename Betsy
Residence Menheniot
Father Rank Profession miner


Burial
Day Month 07-Oct
Year 1857
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Martha Donaldson
Surname HANCOCK
Age 6m
Residence Menheniot


https://www.freereg.org.uk/

(also above)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menheniot

(Menheniot is a civil parish and village in Cornwall, England, United Kingdom. The village is 2 ¹/2 miles southeast of Liskeard)


(at below 1851)

Dodicross, Menheniot, Liskeard, Cornwall

My great-grandmother was baptized Sally. She married my great-grandfather as Sally and she was buried as Sally.

After my great-grandfather died, she remarried as Sarah. I think the vicar probably decided that Sally was not an appropriate name for reasons best known to himself so decided she was a Sarah.

Bum Chris!!

Yes, that is my Jane. Father was William (Occ: Miner) and Mother Betsy/Betsey aka Elizabeth.......Philippa it is and I have just wasted £6 then!

:-| :-D

Oh, and Martha too.

Thank you for the link.

I lubs you i do. :-D x

(lol, well I'm so glad!, was just nosin' round with a cuppa!)

Chris :)

Edits

Baptism
Day Month 01-Jan
Year 1849
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Elizabeth Hooper
Surname PRIN
Sex dau
Father Forename
Mother Forename Betsy
Residence Doddy Cross


Birth
PRIN, ELIZABETH HOOPER -
GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 09 Page 179


Birth
HANCOCK, CELIA BELL (PRINN)
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 05C Page 59


Baptism
Day Month 02-Apr
Year 1868
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Celia Bell
Surname HANCOCK
Sex dau
Father Forename William
Mother Forename Elizabeth
Residence Menheniot
Father Rank Profession miner


Deaths Sep 1890 (>99%)
------------------------------------------------------------
Hancock Celia Bell 23 Lanchester 10a 152


01 August 1890 - Durham County Advertiser - Durham, Durham, England

Death
At Dipton, 27th ult, Celia Bell Hancock, daughter of the late Mr William Hancock, aged 23 years.

(so she was with her Brother, William A then perhaps, Dipton for him 1891)


Was William that 1885 Liskeard Death?...Edits (No!, just seen Elizabeth already a Widow, 1881 Dipton, surname Handeref!!, grief eh?)


26 June 1885 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England

Death
HANCOCK - At Menheniot, Liskeard, June 16. Capt. William Hancock, late manager of Wheal Honey and Trelawny and other mines, aged 57.


(Wheal rings a bell, heard that in Poldark!!, suppose you'll be saying you have him in your 'Tree' next, lol, lol)

As you do.

:-D

Woop, woop......

Baptism entry

County Cornwall
Place (with link) Menheniot
Church name (with link) St Lalluwy
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 2177
Baptism date 09 Feb 1862
Person forename John Albert
Person sex M
Father forename William
Mother forename Betsy
Father surname HANCOCK
Person abode Menheniot
Father occupation Miner
Film number 91
Transcribed by Michael Clare
Credit Mike Clare
File line number 1374


Burial entry
County Cornwall
Place (with link) Menheniot
Church name (with link) St Lalluwy
Register type (with link) Parish Register
Register entry number 510
Burial date 15 Jan 1863
Burial person forename John Albert
Burial person surname HANCOCK
Person age 1
Burial person abode Menheniot
Film DDP 144/1/14
Film number 36
Transcribed by Michael Clare
Credit Mike Clare
File line number 513

I am on a roll now. I have found baptism records for all of them.

Looks like a productive day PH.

Chris Ho is one of the cracking helpers on GR. I know from experience :-D

If this link works for you, the image of the baptism register including the entry for Philippa Jane will be shown:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYLS-QJ?i=51&wc=3CB4-MNL%3A138123201%2C139971801%2C139971802&cc=1769414

Very productive indeed Ann.

Sorry i didn't get back on here earlier. I thought i had a work free today but something cropped up, and i have only just been able to pop back on here.

Thanks everone for all your replies.

Just going to grab a bite to eat, and then i will check out Chris's added information and Kense's link and pop back on a bit later.

I agree with Sue......It never ceases to amaze me the amount of information that Chris manages to find. She has come up with lots of weird and wonderful information regarding my family in the past and always points me in the right direction.

If i had taken on board her usual advice, i would have checked out FreeReg before ordering a copy of Philippa's birth cert and saved myself £6.

But hey, ho.......i got over excited and just ordered it anyway. :-D

Back later........Prickles <3

Morning

I have checked out the FamilySearch site thank you Kense.

Well, i have been a busy bee.

Chris.....Celia Bell and her mother Betsey aka Elizabeth's deaths were both registered in the 3rd quarter of 1890 Lanchester, Durham.

Father William died 23rd July 1880...Death also registered in Lanchester, Durham.

I have been on the Web: Global, Gravestone, Photograph Index and found a beautiful gravestone for the three of them buried together.

I requested a larger image and it was sent to me immediately.

Elizabeth died 19th Sep.....Celia died 27th July

Tickled, Prickles.

:-D

Oh and as for the Poldark connection, i think they were more likely to be associated with the Wheel Tappers and Shunters Social Club.

;-)

(lol, well can't have em' all!. And Prickles now Tickled, yes, that's about right!)

Well Done, you can have a pasty!.

Chris :)

I have sent you a PM with an attachment Chris.

I don't know anyone else to send it to, who might be ever so slightly excited at my finding.

:-D

(lol, well it's lovely PH)

Chris :)

(you going for a visit?)

I am thinking about it Chris.

Ooo, errr.....Looking again at the script on the gravestone, under William it reads.....

Interred in Colliery

I am guessing there was some sort of mining accident and his body wasn't recovered?

:-(

http://www.dmm.org.uk/names/names_ha.htm

(well I was looking in case yesterday!, above usually has something, but not seeing)

Chris :)

(but does state below)

(Please note: not all of the sufferers listed here are shown in the other tables - the disaster index only shows those accidents where 5 or more lives were lost.)