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I think i need to purchase a copy of the death cert for William.

Although i am thinking, is it best not knowing.

(well if it said which Colliery, not seeing him newsapapers, only the Seaham one coming up, that was September though, after your William)

http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/d015.htm

(info above on Dipton Colliery) (1881, 1891 (son William) both Addresses, Delight Rows, there is Delight Colliery also!)

Chris :)

(tuts!, lol)

Yes i spotted that one too Chris....as you say, September though.

Delight Rows (How Lovely! :-D ) Was where Elizabeth aka Betsy..and children William, Henry and Celia Bell were living on the 1881 census. I am sure you know that already.

Registration District on the 1881 census....Lanchester

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Edit: The son William Alfred Hancock on the 1891 census......

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Delight Rows, Collierly, Lanchester, Durham, England

****Civil parish: Collierly****

**** Resident Place: Dalton Piercy, Collierly, Durham, England****

**** Sub registration district: Tanfield ****

William A Hancock Head Married Male 26 1865 Menheniot, Cornwall, England Coal Miner
Ambrosine A Hancock Wife Married Female 22 1869 Dipton, Durham, England -

So checking back on the script, it actually reads.......

Interred At Collierley

From Google........."COLLIERLY, a township, in the parish and union of Lanchester"

So not the Colliery......... :-S :-D

Off in search of some medication >>>>>>>

oh, those English names that no longer exist!!

Lots of my maternal relations apparently lived at Lyon Dam, Oldham

Got my maternal gt grandfather's death certificate. Place of death: Lyon Dam. He was at least the 3rd generation that I'd found with that address.

I grew up in Oldham. Never heard of Lyon Dam. It isn't on any modern maps.

Turns out it was on the outskirts of Oldham, near the one-time village that we moved to when I was 11.

I still don't know where it might have been.

Doubt my mother did either!

My dads mum was Emma Ann. She appears on most records as Emma or Emma Ann
Her second husband though called her Annie and he registered the births of two of their children and gave her name as Annie

Unless those children's descendants knew her full name they could go around in circle looking for the right lady

AND shock horror they weren't actually married at the time either !!

They married in 1914 as he rejoined the army ,probably so he could make his army allotment to her .

He did take on her 4 children though from her first marriage and they had three and were together till his death in 1941

(lol, Collierley...(and I turned them newspapers inside out, every which way, Colliery!)

Chris :)

(will forgive ya! PH, mind you, starting to make Death Cert. look more encouraging!)

I have ordered the certificate Chris, just so that we can still be friends, move on, and get over it!

:-D ;-) :-D

(lol, lol, well done!, will have extra carrots, replenishes eyesight, think I need em'!)

Chris :)

I have some further information regarding William i want to throw your way when my lappie stops mis-behaving.

So, as well as the extra carrots, you will need extra salmon and walnuts.

Brainfood Chris, brainfood.

(oh heck!, quivers, lol)

Chris :)

You can stop quivering Chris. :-D

It feels like it has taken me a month of Sunday's......but with the invaluable help of the link you gave me, i have finally managed to work it all out.

Gone back a generation too!!

I is well happy.

Tickled Pink Prickles. xx

Lol, PH, well done then!, definitely a surname for variants that Prinn, on that OPC homepage, don't forget to look in that heading at the top 'Extra Searches', sometimes the odd thing or two in there...

Chris :)

(brainfood eyesight food, yes, I'm full to the brim now, lol)

Edits (can see William Hancock/Prinn Marriage 1851 Devon, her Father Richard, occ. Woolcomber, is that him (Wool Comber, with wife Margaret) 1851 Peters Court, 3, Melbourne Street, Bradford, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding)

Hi Chris

It was actually William Hancock i have been researching most of yesterday and all of today,

I found his parents Thomas Hancock and Rebecca Doney...plus 3 brother's James 1824, John 1829 and Thomas 1833.

I have Betsey's baptism record....her mother was Martha.....

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name Betsey Prynn
Gender Female
Baptism Date 10 Mar 1827
Baptism Place Menheniot, Cornwall, England
Father Richard Prynn
Mother Martha
FHL Film Number 1596053
Household Members
Name Age
Betsey Prynn
Martha
Richard Prynn


Martha Cook in the England, Select Marriages, 1538–1973
Name: Martha Cook
Gender: Female
Marriage Date: 21 Nov 1814
Marriage Place: Menheniot, Cornwall, England
Spouse: Richard Prynn

That 1851 census has thrown me a bit....because according to Martha, she is a Widow on the 1851 census.

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Quethrock Village, Quethiock, St Germans, Cornwall, England

William Hawken Male 25 1816 Cornwall, England
Sarah Hawken Female 25 1816 Cornwall, England
- - Male 0 1841 Cornwall, England
William Sanders Male 15 1826 Cornwall, England
Martha Pryn Female 50 1791 (Not born in County)


1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Menheniot, Liskeard, Cornwall, England

Jane Tamlin Head Widow Female 61 1790 Pauper Miller Liskeard, Cornwall, England Transcription
Thomas Tamlin Son Unmarried Male 19 1832 Lead Miner Menheniot, Cornwall, England Transcription
Martha Pryn Widow Widow Female 67 1784 Pauper Wool Comber Maryport, Cumberland, England


Deaths Jun 1854 (>99%)
Prin Martha Liskeard 5c 43

Now that i have seen that 1851 census, i am wondering if that is him with a Margaret and he and Martha separated?

I haven't managed to find a Richard Prynn on the 1841 census record, but i do have an 1861 and 1871 if it's him...

1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Menheniot Village, Menheniot, Liskeard, Cornwall, England

Richard Prin Lodger Widower Male 69 1792 Mine Labourer Mansfield, Cornwall, England Transcription


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Village, Menheniot, Liskeard, Cornwall, England

Richard Prin Lodger - Male 78 1793 - Cornwall, England

Deaths Jun 1874 (>99%)
PRINN Richard 82 Liskeard 5c 43

I don't know if this relates to my Richard Prynn

??

Richard Prinn in the UK, Naval Officer and Rating Service Records, 1802-1919
Name: Richard Prinn
Birth Date: abt 1794
Gender: Male
Age at Start of Service: 23
First Service Date: 27 Sep 1817
First Ship Served On: Favorite
Last Service Date: 15 Aug 1841
Last Ship Served On: Victory
Record Type: Entry Books of Certificates
Date Range: 1834 Jan - 1836 May

Intwesting!

Have you received the cert yet PricklyHolly ? It may be interesting to see who registered the birth.

Hi Madge

Philippa Jane Hancock born Menheniot Village 2nd April 1852
Father William Hancock. Occ: Miner
Mother Elizabeth Hancock formerly Prin
Informant: The mark of Elizabeth Hancock, Mother Menheniot Village.

Maybe Dad did not like the name or neither of them could spell it, Jane was easier.

A miner moving from Cornwall to Durham?
My tin/copper miners from Cornwall moved to Barrow in Furness when the tin mines closed. There was plenty of copper in Barrow - but probably more money in coal!
G granddad's parent's moved back to Cornwall - hence g granddad etc were born in Cornwall.
My dad's (possible) father's family moved at the same time, but stayed in Barrow in Furness, hence his (possible) father was born there - but he moved back to Devon to join the Navy - then lived in Cornwall, but in newspaper reports, is referred to as a 'Barrow' boy.

This is the 1851 census that Chris is referring to.......

1851 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Peters Court, 3, Melbourne Street, Bradford, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding), England

Richard Prinn Head Married Male 56 1795 Wool Comber St Germans, Cornwall, England
Margaret Prinn Wife Married Female 43 1808 Carder Wool Harewood, Yorkshire, England

Oh dear!, lol...doing some 'visiting' today, but will have to investigate these Richard people later!...

Chris :)

Bit annoying that Betsey Baptism not on OPC (strange!)...below near her.

Baptism
Day Month 12-Dec
Year 1824
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Henry
Surname PRYNN
Sex Male
Father Forename Richard
Mother Forename Martha
Residence Poole
Father Rank Profession Wool Comber


Day Month 30-Mar
Year 1848
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Groom Fn Henry
Groom Sn PRIN
Groom Age
Groom Residence Menheniot
Groom Condition bachelor
Groom Rank Profession miner
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Groom Father Name Richard
Groom Father Rank Profession woolcomber
Bride Fn Eliza Mary
Bride Sn OUGH
Bride Age minor
Bride Residence Menheniot
Bride Condition spinster
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Bride Father Name Benedict
Bride Father Rank Profession mason
Banns / Licence (B/L) B
Witness Fn1 William
Witness Sn1 ROWE
Witness Fn2 Benedict
Witness Sn2 OUGH


Burial
Day Month 26-Jan
Year 1905
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Henry
Surname PRIN
Age 80
Residence Menheniot Village


1841
John Pollard Male 60 1781 Cornwall, England
Richard Pyne (perhaps Pryn) Male 20 1821 Cornwall, England
Henry Pryn Male 14 1827 Cornwall, England
(both Servants)
Cuttine, Menheniot, Liskeard, Cornwall


(other Baptisms, Richard 1822, Susannah 1821, George 1817 (possible Menh. Burial for him 1837) Isabella, occs. Wool Worker & Comber)


(saw below also)

Institution Bodmin, County Lunatic Asylum
Date Of Admission 03-Feb
Year Of Admission 1854
Register No 31127
Forename Martha
Surname PRINN
Occupation
Abode
Committed By
Offence Sentence &c
Personal Details Pauper
When Discharged 4-Apr-1854 - recovered


Burial
Day Month 23-Apr
Year 1854
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Martha
Surname PRN
Age 65
Residence Liskeard Union Workhouse


Needs a lot of 'digging' I reckon!...


1841 (Find My Past) (to go with 1851 reference)
Richard Prinn Male 45 1796 (Wool Comber)
Margaret Prinn Female 30 1811
Hough End, Leeds, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (West Riding),


(notes looks like Son Richard Prinn, wife Elizabeth, son Henry, 1851 Richard Prin Head Married Male 28 1823 Lead Miner Menheniot, Cornwall, England. His Marriage 1846 Devon, Stoke D. Elizabeth Barrrett, Father, Richard Prinn occ. Woolcomber)

(above Richard also has lodging with him John Rowe, witness for William Hancock Marriage, Henry Prinn Marriage, has a William Rowe witness, whoever these Rowe folks are!)


Marriage 1838
HANCOCK William E. Stonehouse 9 349
Prinn Isabella E. Stonehouse 9 349

(presuming above couple with Betsey 1851, her sister, not seeing image)

Burial
Day Month 23-Jul
Year 1845
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Isabella
Surname HANCOCK
Age 29
Residence Doddy Cross


(that 1814 Reference below)

Day Month 21-Nov
Year 1814
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Groom Fn Richard
Groom Sn PRYNN
Groom Age
Groom Residence Menheniot
Groom Condition
Groom Rank Profession
Groom Signed / Marked (S/M) M
Groom Father Name
Groom Father Rank Profession
Bride Fn Martha
Bride Sn COOK
Bride Age
Bride Residence Sojourner O T P
Bride Condition
Bride Rank Profession
Bride Signed / Marked (S/M) S
Bride Father Name
Bride Father Rank Profession
Banns / Licence (B/L) Banns
Witness Fn1 John
Witness Sn1 JAGO
Witness Fn2 William
Witness Sn2 FORD
Other Information With consent of Parents. F Cole, Off. Min.


(one about, but Wheal connection again!, and Miner, but just adding)

21 November 1857 - Cornish Times - Liskeard, Cornwall, England

A serious accident occurred Wheal Mary Ann Mine on Friday night, the 13th instant, about ten o'clock, to Richard Prin, miner, residing at Menheniot, who had both hands shattered, whilst blasting a hole in the said mine...


(another, witness to an accident)

10 June 1864 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England

Richard Prynn, a labourer, of Menheniot, who was passing with a horse and cart at the time of the accident (the horse, having miraculously escaped)...


12 February 1870 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England

ST. AUSTELL.
Begging. - On Tuesday, two men, giving their names as James Richards and Richard Prynn, ware brought up in custody before Mr. R. G. Lakes, and charged with begging at St. Mewan,...

(James Richards, of Camborne, and Richard Prynn, of Liskeard, two rough-looking characters...)


02 March 1849 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England

Richard Prynn — l live at Ince, on the St. Germans river. On Thursday last, about three o'clock, I was in my garden, when I was called (he rescued Wm. May in his boat)

(possibly him below)

24 September 1858 - Royal Cornwall Gazette - Truro, Cornwall, England

Saltash.— Fatal Boat Accident.— The body of Mr. Richard Prynn, of Ince Castle.St. Stephens, was picked up on Friday afternoon last in the river near Antony Passage.


Burial
Day Month 11-May
Year 1874
Parish Or Reg District Menheniot
Forename Richard
Surname PRINN
Age 82
Residence Liskeard Union Workhouse


https://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1352917

(above came up on google search, do you know this David, I seem to have helped on it, lol, explains about those newspaper articles!)

Hiya Chris

Just checked back on this thread and see you have added a lot of extra info.

Bit late for me to go through it all right now......but you know me, i will go through it all tomorrow.

Thank you...... :-) xxx