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Please could somebody kindly do me a 1851 census for a John French born 1845 Milcomb Oxford, he may have had a sister called Elizabeth born 1853 but i supose i will need to have that checked on the 1861 census as i have a Bertha French daughter of John above living with her Aunty and Uncle - Thomas and Elizabeth hall - on the 1891 and 1901 census and just trying to work out if Elizabeth is the Blood relative on the French side or Thomas is on Bertha's Mother Elizabeth judge's side as Judge could have been another married name as she had a son - Walter j Judge before she married John French....and wondered if she was called Hall as her maiden name, hope i'm not losing you on this!!
Many thanks
angela

This might be him although it says Tom on the original

1851 England Census
about Tom French
Name: Tom French
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Milcomb, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wigginton
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 20
Household Members: Name Age
Ann French 29
Tom French 1
Elizabeth Swetnam 11
George Swetnam 15
Mary Ann Swetnam 9
Thomas Swetnam 39
William Swetnam 7



1861 England Census
about John French
Name: John French
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigginton, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Milcomb
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
Ann French 41
John French 17
Daniel Perkins 42

Thanks Claire, this looks interesting, i was quite expecting loads of them....wonder what happened to John's dad...more mystries...
many thanks again for finding this for me

angela

Two possibles for John's birth -

Births Dec 1844

FRENCH John *esay Banbury 16 7


Births Jun 1846

French John Banbury 16 16

Marriages Jun 1873
...>>>Allen Elizabeth Tamworth 6b 603
Betteridge Elizabeth Tamworth 6b 603
...>>>Hall Thomas Tamworth 6b 603
Pickett Maria Tamworth 6b 603
Smith John Tamworth 6b 603

I think this is your marriage as there is Allens living with them in 1881 & 1891.

Update: This is NOT them as I've found them in 1861!!

1841 England Census
Name: Ann French
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Bloxham
Hundred: Bloxham
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Samuel French 20
Ann French 21
William French 1

Hi Ozibird,
this looks like Ann French wasn't married...and the above...looks to be the marriage of Thomas Hall and Elizabeth Allen you have got to be right on this one!

Just need to tie the Hall's to the French's...i though Elizabeth might have been a French...but youv'e solve that as she has to be a Allen
many thanks for this

angela

Are you sure Ann was married?

Ozi.

Maybe Thomas Hall is Elizabeth Judge's Brother?....perhaps there is a Judge marriage around 1873/4 of Elizabeth as originally i thought her son Walter James Judge 1874 was illigitemate

Hi Nicki, i can't stop now....thankyou for the two births.....hard one as i worked it out to be 1845!! could be either

Prob the Dec 1844 would be the one to go for?

Nicki

Hi Ozi, no i've only just come across Ann tonight from Claire above message and was just assuming she was.....looks like i was wrong

1861 England Census
Name: Eliza Allen
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Granddaughter
Father's Name: Thos
Gender: Female
Where born: Lichfield, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Tamworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Tamworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 157
Household Members: Name Age
Catherine Allen 17
Eliza Allen 13
Elizth Allen 69
...>>>Harriet Allen 10 Mo
James Allen 15
Rose Allen 16
Thomas Allen 11
Thos Allen 44
George Hatton 23
William Shaw 24

Hi Nicki, thanks i think 1844 too, i was thinking John French could have had a sister called Elizabeth who married Thomas Hall and that's who Bertha went to live with but looks like not now....so wondering if Elizabeth Judge's maiden name was Hall and she had a brother called Thomas who Brought Bertha up

Fantastic Ozi, this is great!

You will need to try to get help to find the Judges on the census.

Nicki

Angela, I'm not sure Harriet & Elizabeth are sisters. I've just been away to have breakfast, but I'm on the case again for about half an hour.

Ozi.

In 1891 there is a William Allen Jane c1851. Well he's actually Wm Allen Jnr, & I think this is the family.

1871 England Census
Name: Elizabeth Allen
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Tamworth, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Tamworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Tamworth St Editha
Town: Tamworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Tamworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Allen 22
Ann Allen 44
Ann Allen 6
Asenath Allen 2
Eliza Allen 14
Elizabeth Allen 16
George Allen 3
John Allen 19
Samuel Allen 8
Sarah Allen 10
William Allen 44
...>>>William Allen 20

Thanks Nicki and Ozi, i've just been upstairs to sort my son out...but i'm back now...
I've just come across a Charles French Born 1869 Milcomb Oxfordshire married to a Clara marson and they have a bertha french born 1890 Tamworth...this must be a connection to John French as he was born in Milcomb also and his daughter bertha french was born in Tamworth in 1880?
Charles French also had
Edith 1893
Mimmie 1895
Frances 1896
William 1898-1917
Emma 1900
Albert 1901
Harry 1904
Charles 1907
Walter 1911 1988

Or Charles and John could be cousin's?

1861 England Census
Name: Elizth Allen
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Tamworth, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Tamworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Tamworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 74
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Allen 12
Ann Allen 34
Eliza Allen 3
Elizth Allen 5
John Allen 8
Louisa Allen 13
William Allen 34
Willm Allen 10


The dob is starting to become a problem.

1851 England Census
Name: William Allen
Age: 5 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Gender: Male
Where born: Tamworth, Warwickshire, England


Civil Parish: Tamworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Registration district: Tamworth
Sub-registration district: Tamworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 16d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 100
Household Members: Name Age
John Jackson 82 - head
William Allen 23 - visitor
Ann Allen 24
Louisa Allen 4
Alfred Allen 2
William Allen 5 Mo