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Trying to find my Maternal Ancesters. In 1891 Census;

Did they marry I can find no record. acording to 1911 census they had been married 22years is this true.

Henry Down 21 Born in Bermingham
Marry Ann Down 20 London Bermandsey wife
Living at 7 Arthur Terrace Union Terrace West Ham Leyyton

{(The nearest in 1901:
Harry Down 29 Devon
Victoria 26 London Bermandsey wife
Ada 8 Leyton Essex
Victoria 5 leyton Essex
Eva 1 London Bermandsey
Living at 19 Comus Place Southwark.)}

Then in1911;

Harry Down 40 Birmingham
Mary Ann 40 London wife
Ada 18 Leyton
Victoria 15 Leyton
Eva 10 London
Lenard 5 London
Perry Fredrick 2 London
Plus James Cooper Boarder.
At 12 Comus Place Southwark.

The children are born right place at simaler dates, but Harry is born in the wrong place; and the wife has a differant name and is different age but born in same place.
The daughter Victoria is my Grand Mother; Her Birth Cert. says Her Mother is Mary Ann (Nee) Cooper! This is Mothers Maiden name on Birth Cert.

My Mother was born at 19 Comus Place.

I cannot find Mary Ann in 1901 or Victoria in in 1891 or 1911. Is it the some Family with Mistakes or 2 Families that co-incided.
Update: 19-4-2009. I know now that 1901 census is not my family but where are Mary Ann and Henry/Harry in 1901; and when and where did they marry.

CAN ANY ONE HELP

Sorry but this is all squashed up and i can't read it
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Trying to find my Maternal Ancesters.

In 1891 Census;
Henry Down 21 Born in Bermingham
Marry Ann Down 20 London Bermandsey
Living at 7 Arthur Terrace Union Terrace West Ham Leyton.


1901;
Harry Down 29 Devon
Victoria 26 London Bermandsey
Ada 8 Leyton Essex
Victoria 5 leyton Essex
Eva 1 London Bermandsey
Living at 19 Comus Place Southwark.


1911
Harry Down 40 Birmingham
Mary Ann 40 London
Ada 18 Leyton
Victoria 15 Leyton
Eva 10 London
Lenard 5 London
Perry Fredrick 2 London
Plus James Cooper Boarder.
At 12 Comus Place Southwark.


The daughter Victoria is my Grand Mother; Her Birth Cert. says Her Mother is Mary Ann (Nee) Cooper!
My Mother was born at 19 Comus Place.
I cannot find Mary Ann in 1901 or Victoria in in 1891 or 1911.
The children seem to be same age same birth place is it the some Family with Mistakes or 2 Families that coincidences.
CAN ANY ONE HELP

Do you know who Victoria the 26 year old was

sorry could not read it I did it as normal!!
The Question you have asked are the ones i have been trying to answer for the last Month or so, which is Why I am looking for help. I have tried My cousin has tried now I am hopeing some one can help.

In 1911 he is a Printers Bench Hand I agree they are simalar. The Place of Birth is a Problem to In 1891 it's spelling is wrong and in 1901 a diferant place. I am trying to reconcill, I have traced Devon Harry Back to his Father but cannot find Other. John

Harry Down was born in Exmouth part of Exeter to John (a mariner) and Matilda (nee Theakstone).
Henry was Bermingham 1891 and Harry Birmingham in1911 censuses.: I can not find there? births.
I have Certs for Harry Devon's Birth and John and Matilda's Wedding.
Now the 1911 census has changeed everything. John

I have tryied so far no luck

1911 census says marraid for 22 years. John

This looks like Victoria's father in 1881. Are you sure the Exeter Henry is yours?

1881 England Census
Name: Henry Down
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Sparkbrook, Worcestershire, England
Civil Parish: Birmingham <<<<<<<<
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Street address: 311 Dudley Rd

Occupation: Scholar
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 13a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Down 42 - Exeter
Mary Down 41 - Starcross, Devon
Mary Down 18 - Exeter
Henry Down 12
George Down 11
Amelia Down 7
Nathaniel Down 2
James Down 22 - son; Exeter
Mary Down 24 - daughter-in-law
John Down 3 - grandson
Walton Down 1 - grandson
Frederick Down - grandson


In 1891 Ancestry has transcribed him as born Smallbridge, Birmingham but the image looks more like Smallbrook/Smallbrok to me.

This is the reg'n district for Sparkbrook & Smallbrook.

Births Jun 1869
DOWN Henry Aston 6d 267

I do not now know what is right the refrences for Henry/harry in Birmingham look ok. but can anyone help with 1901 census. where is Mary and Henry/ Harry and who are Harry and Victoria? I am still confused, Nans Victoria's birth cert does say her her Mum was Mary Ann Down (nee Cooper) but she told all of the family that she was named after her Mum (Victoria). Will have to keep seaching and getting More certs. Still if anyone has any Ideas I need Help. John

Perhaps her Mum called herself Victoria because she found plain old Mary Ann boring.

Obviously her Mum is Mary Ann Cooper because of the cert.

Thank you for your help I will keep trying to solve the Mystery of the 1901 Census with the change of wives name and the change of birth place for husband or missing family in census. John

This conundrum just gets to me. Do you have any more info on James Cooper, boarder in 1911?

Aha! Possibly her father.

COOPER JAMES M 1841 70 Southwark London - using 12 Comus Place to search.

Do you know James's pob & occupation?

There's a possibility this is them.

1881 England Census
Name: James Cooper
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 16 Spa Road
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Bricklayer
Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cooper 39
Margaret Cooper 37
James Hy. Cooper 15
Mary Ann Cooper 13
Geo. Wm. Cooper 11


1871 England Census about James Cooper
Name: James Cooper
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maryann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address: 16 Spa Rd

Occupation: bricklayer

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 16
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cooper 29
Maryann Cooper 27
James H Cooper 18
Maryann Cooper 2
William G Cooper 4 months

1891 England Census
Name: James Cooper
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 85 Rouel Rd

Occupation: bricklayer

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: St James Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cooper 49
Mary Ann Cooper 47
William G Cooper 20
Arthur Webb 21 - boarder
Susan Simpson 45 - boarder



1901 England Census
Name: James Cooper
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, London, England
Civil Parish: Bermondsey
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke Bermondsey
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 85 Rouel or Rowel Rd

Occupation: bricklayer

Registration district: St Olave Southwark
Sub registration district: Bermondsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 43
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 10
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cooper 59
Mary Ann Cooper 57
Florence Cooper 13 - grandaughter
Annie Collings 21 - visitor
George Matthew 46 - visitor

I wondered about About James Cooper but all I know is that he was a seaman boarding with the family aged 70 Born in London. But I am more intterested in what happend to the Down family in 1901 where they my family or not. If not where were my family in 1901?? John

I'm not sure how you're ever going to prove that.

Good luck,
Ozi.

Perhaps if you get James Cooper death cert the informant might be Mary Ann or Victoria daughter

Or death of Harry Down.
Harry Down about 1869 died 1916 mar qt St Marylebone gro ref 1a 673

Harry Down about 1870.died 1929 mar qt Camberwell gro ref 1d 1390.
So there are 2 Harry Down about the same age and dying in London area

Thank You for info on James Cooper, but I know that he could now be be my ancester, as I know that Mary Ann is my G. Grandmother from Nan's birth cert. What I am trying to find out is Where is Mary Ann and Henry/Harry in 1901 Census. John