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17 May 2009 22:43 |
Hi I am trying to find Carpenters who lived or live in Wealdstone or Watford areas. My father was born there but he had lots of half brothers and sisters. Havent got much of a clue except that he was born in Wealdstone to James Carpenter and Annie Carpenter nee Franklin. He was their only child but had lots of half brothers and sisters. He can't remember any of their names but thinks there was a george and a william. Does anyone know of the family or can point me in the right direction. My dad's name is Harold James Carpenter and was born in 1922. James Carpenter, his dad, died in 1943 in London. His Mum Annie Louise Carpenter died in Stanmore Middx in 1965 or 66.
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AnnCardiff
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17 May 2009 23:10 |
Hi there Ann - check in Search Trees top of this page - you may well find some of them in other trees on this site
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Moody Blue
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17 May 2009 23:10 |
there is this marriage?
Marriages Mar 1921 Carpenter James W Morton Hendon 3a 730 Morton Annie L Carpenter Hendon 3a 730
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Moody Blue
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17 May 2009 23:18 |
Her birth ?
Births Dec 1880 Franklin Annie Louise Shoreditch 1c 125
her death?
Annie L Carpenter aged 84 Brent 3rd qtr 1965 5a 274
Could James have died in 1944 and not 1943?
death James W Carpenter aged 82 Stepney 2nd qtr 1944 1c 147
Are either of these your family?
edit: Do not believe these are the correct persons afterall
Births Mar 1862 CARPENTER James William St. Geo. East 1c 472
This birth above, would seem to match with the above death of James W Carpenter but why would he have been born and died in the Stepney area if he was living Watford /Hendon/Wealdstone/Harrow area?
Brenda
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LadyKira
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17 May 2009 23:24 |
Births Jun 1922 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carpenter Harold J Franklin Hendon 3a 623
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LadyKira
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18 May 2009 09:29 |
A possible earlier marriage
Marriages Jun 1897 (>99%) Carpenter James Waller Hendon 3a 386 Lawlor James Charles Hendon 3a 386 Oliver Helen Forsyth Hendon 3a 386 Teasdale Frances Austine E Hendon 3a 386 Teasdale Frances Ellen A Hendon 3a 386
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18 May 2009 09:30 |
1901 Address: (Withleigh), Shoot Up Hill, Willesden CARPENTER, James W Head Married M 46 1855 Ironmonger Tiverton Devonshire VIEW CARPENTER, Helen F Wife Married F 32 1869 St Pancras London VIEW CARPENTER, Olive Daughter Single F 23 1878 Paddington London VIEW CARPENTER, Constance G Daughter Single F 20 1881 Paddington London VIEW CARPENTER, Oswald Son Single M 18 1883 Ironmonger Paddington London VIEW CARPENTER, Joan Daughter F 0 (7 MOS) 1901 Harrow Middlesex VIEW PARSONS, Sarah Servant Single F 33 1868 Housemaid Domestic Marylebone London VIEW GREGORY, Emily Servant Single F 27 1874 Cook Domestic Fryerning Essex
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LadyKira
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18 May 2009 09:36 |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deaths Mar 1929 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Carpenter Ellen F 65 Hendon 3a 661
unless they divorced or seperated
rules her out for his first wife as she is still alive
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LadyKira
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18 May 2009 22:42 |
This is a two part list of possible births in the area. If you show it to your Dad It may jog his memory.
Births Mar 1897 (>99%) Carpenter Lily Annie Hendon 3a 211
Births Sep 1897 (>99%) Carpenter Agnes Hendon 3a 245 Carpenter Mabel Hendon 3a 190
Births Dec 1897 (>99%) Carpenter Hilda Juliet Hendon 3a 254
Births Dec 1898 (>99%) CARPENTER Doris Ellen M Hendon 3a 193 CARPENTER Jack Kenneth Hendon 3a 230
Births Dec 1899 (>99%) Carpenter Polly Hendon 3a 255 Carpenter William George Hendon 3a 213
Births Jun 1900 (>99%) Carpenter Frederick Roberts Hendon 3a 259
Births Sep 1900 (>99%) Carpenter Hilda May Hendon 3a 193 Carpenter Joan Hendon 3a 198
Births Dec 1900 (>99%) Carpenter Winifred Hendon 3a 269
Births Sep 1901 (>99%) Carpenter Eric Mansfald Hendon 3a 205 Carpenter Gladys Hendon 3a 293
Births Dec 1901 (>99%) Carpenter Alfred Joseph Hendon 3a 230 Carpenter John Wilfred Hendon 3a 228
Births Jun 1902 (>99%) Carpenter Clement Samuel Hendon 3a 308
Births Sep 1902 (>99%) Carpenter Harold Arthur Hendon 3a 229 Carpenter Mabel Dorothy Hendon 3a 299
Births Dec 1902 (>99%) Carpenter Mildred Hendon 3a 263
Births Mar 1903 (>99%) Carpenter Edward James Hendon 3a 310 Carpenter Esmond George Hendon 3a 226
Births Jun 1903 (>99%) CARPENTER Beatrice Emily Hendon 3a 215
Births Jun 1904 (>99%) Carpenter George Henry Hendon 3a 234
Births Sep 1904 (>99%) Carpenter Vivian Frederick W Hendon 3a 244
Births Dec 1904 (>99%) CARPENTER Frederick William Hendon 3a 266 CARPENTER Walter Maurice Hendon 3a 293 CARPENTER William Charles H Hendon 3a 316
Births Jun 1905 (>99%) Carpenter Archibald Charles Hendon 3a 323
Births Sep 1905 (>99%) Carpenter Geoffrey Hendon 3a 312
Births Dec 1905 (>99%) Carpenter Winifred Florence Hendon 3a 251
Births Mar 1906 (>99%) Carpenter James Alfred Hendon 3a 238
Births Sep 1906 (>99%) Carpenter James Edwin H Hendon 3a 351
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18 May 2009 22:55 |
Births Mar 1907 (>99%) CARPENTER Joan Norma H Hendon 3a 255
Births Sep 1907 (>99%) CARPENTER Emily Beatrice Hendon 3a 367 CARPENTER Gladys Winifred Hendon 3a 333
Births Dec 1907 (>99%) CARPENTER Arthur Ernest Hendon 3a 980 Carpenter Barbara Eileen Hendon 3a 240 Carpenter Frederick Charles Hendon 3a 310 Carpenter George Edward Hendon 3a 340 Carpenter Philip Hendon 3a 342
Births Mar 1908 (>99%) Carpenter Clifford Frank Hendon 3a 272 Carpenter James William F Hendon 3a 376
Births Jun 1908 (>99%) Carpenter Henry Charles Hendon 3a 393
Births Mar 1910 (>99%) CARPENTER Patience Katherine Hendon 3a 232
Births Mar 1911 (>99%) Carpenter Hilda E Hendon 3a 363
Births Jun 1911 (>99%) Carpenter Wesley A Hendon 3a 391
Births Dec 1911 (>99%) Carpenter Sidney J Brimble Hendon 3a 677
Births Dec 1912 (>99%) CARPENTER Dora R Carpenter Hendon 3a 617 CARPENTER Joan T Trembath Hendon 3a 638
Births Sep 1913 (96%) Carpenter Alfred D Holdstock Hendon 3a 782 Carpenter Frederick R Brimble Hendon 3a 771
Births Mar 1914 (>99%) CARPENTER Alice Abbott Hendon 3a 643
Births Mar 1915 (99%) Carpenter Dennis P Dickens Hendon 3a 694 Carpenter Edith M Brimble Hendon 3a 737
Births Jun 1916 (>99%) Carpenter Janet B Barrall Hendon 3a 735 Carpenter Margaret P Munro Hendon 3a 760 Carpenter Thomas B Hatcher Hendon 3a 676
Births Sep 1916 (>99%) Carpenter Francis C Holdstock Hendon 3a 712
Births Jun 1922 (>99%) Carpenter Harold J Franklin Hendon 3a 623
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LadyKira
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22 May 2009 09:58 |
Are you there?
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ann
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23 May 2009 18:57 |
from ann. Thanks to everyone who posted a reply. I think the reply from Moody Blue is the marriage of my grandfather and grandmother. I'm not so sure about the birth as my grandmothers birthday was in march and she died in Nov. Also to Christine I am wading through all the births you sent and will let my dad look through them to see if he recognises any of them. I will also ask him about the date of his dad's death, thanks again to everyone.
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LadyKira
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23 May 2009 21:36 |
Do let us know if Dad recognizes any of the names.Hopefully we can get a surname.
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Moody Blue
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23 May 2009 23:26 |
Annie's death?
Annie L Carpenter age 79 Hendon 4th qtr 1965 vol 5c page 278
This would make her born abt 1886/7
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Moody Blue
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23 May 2009 23:43 |
If the marriage for Annie Louise Morton and James W Carpenter is correct, how does the name Franklin figure?
Here is a birth for :- Annie Louisa Morton Portsea 2nd qtr 1886 vol 2b page 522
It is possible for a March birth to be registered in the next quarter in April.
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Moody Blue
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24 May 2009 00:08 |
This is a 1911 census......perhaps a possible - although I cannot find a corresponding birth for Annie Franklin in Portsmouth:-
1911 HOUSEHOLD FRANKLIN ANNIE F 1886 25 Hendon Middlesex
1911 CENSUS Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born: HENDERSON, THOMAS HEAD MARRIED M 38 STOCKBROKER CLERK MARYFAIR LONDON HENDERSON, ANNIE WIFE MARRIED 3 F 34 MARYFAIR LONDON HENDERSON, DOROTHY DAUGHTER SINGLE F 1 WEMBLEY MIDDLESEX HENDERSON, BEATRICE DAUGHTER SINGLE F 1 MONTH WEMBLEY MIDDLESEX >>>>>>>>>FRANKLIN, ANNIE SERVANT SINGLE F 25 CHILDRENS NURSE DOMESTIC PORTSMOUTH READING, EMMA SERVANT WIDOW F 45 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC REDBOURN HERT FRANKLIN ANNIE (RG14PN7093 RG78PN347 RD130 SD1 ED26 SN328) Address MARYFAIR DAGMAR AVENUE WEMBLEY County Middlesex District Hendon Subdistrict Harrow Enumeration District 26 Parish Wembley
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Moody Blue
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24 May 2009 00:43 |
1891 census transcription details for: 27, Harold Road, Portsea, Portsmouth National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 875 Folio: 42 Page: 32 Reg. District: Portsea Island Sub District: Landport Enum. District: 57 Ecclesiastical District: St Bartholomew Parish: Portsea City/Municipal Borough: Portsmouth Address: 27, Harold Road, Portsea, Portsmouth County: Hampshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation, Disability Where Born BROUGHTON, Harriet H Head Married F 49 1842 Tailoress Portsea Hampshire BROUGHTON, Harriett L Daughter Single F 21 1870 Southsea Hampshire BROUGHTON, James W Son Single M 19 1872 Milkman Southsea Hampshire >>>>>>>>>MORTON, Annie L Niece Visitor F 5 1886 Southsea Hampshire GRIFFITH, Gordon A Cousin M 1 1890 Southsea Hampshire HOWARD, Frank Visitor M 0 (9M) 1891 Chichester Sussex DAVIES, Thomas J Visitor Single M 19 1872 Painter Southsea Hampshire Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 875; Folio 42; Page 32; GSU roll: 6095985
Could Annie L Morton and Annie L Franklin be one and the same person? Unable to find Annie Morton listed on the 1911 census.
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24 May 2009 01:02 |
1911 Census Household Transcript
Name: Relationship to head: Marital Status: Years married: Sex: Age in 1911: Occupation: Where born: CARPENTER, JAMES WILLIAM HEAD MARRIED 23 M 43 CARMAN BOXMOOR HERTS CARPENTER, ANNIE WIFE MARRIED 23 F 43 HIGH ST GREEN HERTS CARPENTER, WILLIAM ARTHUR SON SINGLE M 22 CARMAN BOXMOOR HERTS CARPENTER, CHARLES WILLIAM HOLMES SON SINGLE M 20 CARMAN WATFORD HERTSS CARPENTER, ROSE ETHEL DAUGHTER SINGLE F 18 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC BOXMOOR HERTS CARPENTER, HILDA MAY DAUGHTER F 10 SCHOOL WEALDSTONE MIDDSX CARPENTER, GEORGE HENRY SON M 6 SCHOOL WEALDSTONE MIDDSX MILLER, GEORGE BOARDER SINGLE M 49 NAVVY BUCKX-PARISH N K SAUNDERS, REBECCA BORDER SINGLE F 16 GENERAL SERVANT DOMESTIC UNKNOWN
CARPENTER JAMES WILLIAM (RG14PN7088 RG78PN347 RD130 SD1 ED21 SN365) Address 35 PALMERSTON ROAD WEALDSTONE MIDDLESEX County Middlesex District Hendon Subdistrict Harrow Enumeration District 21 Parish Wealdstone
The births of the Carpenter children on 1911 census:-
Births Dec 1888 CHARGE William Arthur H Hempstead 3a 579
Births Dec 1890 Carpenter Charles William H Watford 3a 530
Births Dec 1892 Carpenter Rose Ethel H. Hempstead 3a 580
Births Sep 1900 Carpenter Hilda May Hendon 3a 193
Births Jun 1904 Carpenter George Henry Hendon 3a 234
MARRIAGE Jun 1890 CARPENTER James William Hemel Hempstead 3a 803 Charge Annie........... H. Hempstead 3a 803
Her birth Births Mar 1868 Charge Ann H Hempstead 3a 398
his birth BIRTH Dec 1869 Carpenter James William H. Hempstead 3a 399
This death would seem to fit with James born Hemel Hempstead:
James Carpenter aged 81 ( born 1869) Hendon 2nd qtr 1950 vol 5e page 375
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Moody Blue
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24 May 2009 09:26 |
Do you have James' death certificate? If not, I would perhaps rethink his year of death and place some interest in the 1950 one in Hendon. He sounds quite a good bet as in the 1911 census he has children with names that your father believes he remembers ie George & William.
Brenda
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25 May 2009 11:25 |
1901 England Census about James Carpenter Name: James Carpenter Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Box Moor, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Wealdstone Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Wealdstone County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street address: 12 Radcliffe Terrace, Cecil Road
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Condition as to marriage: Education: Employment status: View Image Registration district: Hendon Sub-registration district: Harrow ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 132 Household Members: Name Age James Carpenter 32 head, Brick Carman Annie Carpenter 33 William Carpenter 12 Charles Carpenter 10 Rose Carpenter 8 Hilda Carpenter 7 months John Mc Millan 20 William King 28 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1209; Folio: 53; Page: 27.
1891 England Census about James W Carpenter Name: James W Carpenter Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Annie Gender: Male Where born: Box Moor, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Watford Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Watford County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address:20, Sotheron Road, Watford
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Watford Sub-registration district: Watford ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James W Carpenter 21 head / carmans labourer Annie Carpenter 22 Chas W H Carpenter 4 months Chas E Allum 20 lodger / carmans labourer Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1118; Folio 40; Page 18; GSU roll: 6096228
1891 England Census about William Charge Name: William Charge Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Box Moor, Hertfordshire, England Civil Parish: Hemel Hempstead Ecclesiastical parish: Boxmoor St John Town: Hemel Hempstead County/Island: Hertfordshire Country: England Street address: 25, Anchor Lane, Hemel Hempstead
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Hemel Hempstead Sub-registration district: Hemel Hempstead ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age William Carpenter 52 Rosana Carpenter 58 William Charge 2 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1124; Folio 126; Page 1; GSU roll: 6096234.
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