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James could have been illegitimate and invented a father called Daniel.

Hi Patricia,

Thank you for your thoughts. If the certificate I've ordered has Samuel as the father I will order the other one and see what that says. At least there are only two registered in Coventry.

Chris

Hi Chris,

Can I just check something here please?

You say on page 1:

"I have just received his marriage certificate, he married Emily Ingle on 7/7/1884 in Walsall. His father was named as Daniel Garratt, a waggoner. Unfortunately witnesses do not help as neither are named Garratt. James gave his age as 28 and he was a widower."

Was his age on marriage cert really 28 ?? as this makes him 'way out' for the 1891 you posted?

Dea x

If he was born in 1844 Coventry, this could be a possible marriage?

Marriages Dec 1864
DOWNS Mary Ann Coventry 6d 608
>>>>>>>>>>>>>GARRATT James Coventry 6d 608
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Masters Elizabeth Coventry 6d 608
RUMSEY John Herbert Coventry 6d 608


Deaths Jun 1868
Garratt Elizabeth age 34 Coventry 6d 262


John Herbert Rumsey married Mary Ann Downs...see below

Name: John Herbert Rumsey
Spouse: Mary Ann
Birth: abt 1842 - Coventry, Warwickshire, England
Residence: 1871 - Leamington, Leamington, Warwickshire, England

Hi,

Thank you for the recent updates.

Dea - Yes , it definately says James is 28. In the census I posted James is shown to be born c1845, 20 years older than his wife Emily. In 1901 and 1911 it gives c1851 as his year of birth and he's now only 14 years older than Emily. The only thing not to change is place of birth.

Because I have the birth certificate of James Garratt born 13/4/1891 which names James Garratt and Emily nee Ingle as his parents, I know I have the right marriage, just need James seniors birth.

Moody Blue - Thank you for that marriage. On LDS, there is an extracted record for the marriage. James age is given as 46, Elizabeth as 39. My James would be about 20/25 I think. Strangely enough on Elizabeths death record she is 5 years younger than when she married 4 years earlier. I checked the record search pilot on familysearch but unfortunately the marriage isn't on there.

I have received the birth certificate of the James born in Dec q 1848. Parents named as Samuel and Alice so obviously not my James. Because the marriage certificate said James was 28 I have searched for a birth between 1840-1860 in Coventry under Garratt & Garrett and only the 1844 and 1848 ones are showing. I don't think I've got any choice but to order the 1844 one.

I really appreciate the help you've all been giving me, thank you.

Chris

Hi Chris,

I know you said that the witnesses at James's wedding were not Garratts but, could you post ALL the details from that cert please - names, ages, fathers, occupations, addresses + witnesses.

Are you absolutely convinced that the father was Daniel - could the writing be ambiguous on cert, or perhaps it has been copied incorrectly from Parish Register? - Maybe worth a 'phione call to records office to ask them to check for you?

I am really baffled here and would like to sort it out , if I can.

Thanks,

Dea x

Hi Dea,

James Garratt 28 Widower Miner 41 Bradford Street Daniel Garratt Waggoner

Emily Ingle 19 Spinster - 23 Bridge Street William Ingle Miner

Witnesses were Enoch Reynolds and Hannah Ingle

The entry posted on here from the record search pilot on familysearch also names his father as Daniel. If you don't mind sending me your e-mail address by PM I would be happy to send you a scanned copy to check.

Chris

Thank you Chris - I LOVE looking at other people's certs!

pm on it's way..

Dea x

Hi Dea,

Scan sent.

Chris

Thanks Chris,

Scan received - I will work on it !

Dea x

I should receive the other birth certificate by Saturday so hoping to update then.

Chris

Well folks have just received the other birth certificate. Mar q 1844 Coventry. parents named as William Garratt and Maria Garratt formerly Maycock so something not right.

Could one of you please advise as to what to do now.

Chris

Marriages Jun 1841
CAMWELL Caroline Coventry 16 395
COLLEDGE Samuel Coventry 16 395
COWLEY Maria Coventry 16 395
EDMONDS Selina Coventry 16 395
xxxxxGARRATT William Coventry 16 395
xxxxxMAYCOCK Maria Coventry 16 395
READING George Coventry 16 395
REEVES Henry Coventry 16 395

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1851 England Census
James Garrett Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Mother's Name: Maria Gender: Male Where born: Willenhall, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Willenhall County/Island: Warwickshire Country: England Registration district: Foleshill Sub-registration district: Foleshill ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 15
William Garrett 33
Maria Garrett 28
William A Garrett 9
James Garrett 7
Henry Garrett 5
Elizabeth Garrett 3
George Garrett 1
John Garrett 22
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2066; Folio: 670; Page: 5; GSU roll: 87326-87328.

Hi Patricia,

Thanks for taking the time to look. What are your thoughts please, I really don't know what to look for now. I am struggling to find a James with father Daniel in the census.


Chris

Hi Chris,

Had little grand-daughter today so am a bit 'brain-dead'!!

Can't do much tonight but I will 'dig out' my notes on this and have a good look for you in the morning.

Dea x

Hi, Dea,

That's fantastic, congratulations, please pass on my congrats to the happy parents. There's no rush to look up your notes, whenever will be fine.

Chris x

Sorry Chris - I told you I was a bit 'brain-dead' !!

I didn't mean I had a little grand-daughter born today, - I meant I had a little grand-daughter to 'look after' today !!

You DID make me smile !!!!!

She is 5 - going on 15 !! and such hard work when she is hot and tired!!

SUCH a joy, but she leaves us quite worn out !!

Dea Xxx

Well, I have been looking for over 2 hours now and still have come up with nothing.. dratt !!!

Will take a break and come back to it later - sorry but I really don't think Daniel existed ???

The cert is a hand-written copy of the register, I think it would be worth ringing the register office and asking them if someone could look at the actual entry in the register and confirm that it does say 'Daniel' ??

LOTS of help needed on this one please!

Dea x

Hi Dea,

I feel such a wally thinking you meant your grandaughter had been born yesterday. I knew I was tired from helping hubby decorate his mums bungalow but I didn't realise I was that tired, oh well I'm glad I made you smile.

Thank you for taking time to try and help me. I have done as you suggested and rung the GRO. They are going to get someone to look at the original entry who will then e-mail me.

I have looked for a female Garratt marrying a Daniel. One possible but think it may have been the other female who married Daniel. That was Mar q 1864 in West Bromwich. This was just in case Daniel wasn't the birth father but step father.

Everyone I have asked to check the certificate says the name is Daniel so not holding out much hope that my e-mail from GRO says anything different.

I guess this may be one of those that doesn't get resolved but still keeping my fingers crossed.

Chris