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Father of Samuel Dobree B (c1820) and Sarah Ann B 9c1828). Also brother of Stephen Blofs (from marriage certs of children.) If this Robert was born at Snape in 1804, he was a 17-year-old father of Samuel, and must have had a wife before Eleanor Bardwell, who was 11 when Samuel was born. I need help to find the right Robert, please, and details about his family.

Is this Samuel??


Samuel Dobree Bloice
Birth abt 1820 Gt Bentley, Essex, England

Death
Mar 1901 Greater London, London, Middlesex, United Kingdom


Married to Emma, b. ca 1831 d. ca 1873





sylvia

You gave little information about wehre these people lived, so I'm trying to find that infromation so that we helpers can help you.


Are these the 2 marriages of Samuel??



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Samuel Dobree Bloice
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Spouse Name: Mary Smith
Spouse Age: 34
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 13 Jan 1851
Parish: St Philip, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Robert Bloice, Undertaker
Spouse Father Name: William Smith. Bookbinder


and



London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Samuel Dobree Bloice
Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Spouse Name: Emma Doggett
Spouse Age: 41
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Jun 1872
Parish: St Jude, Bethnal Green
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: Robert Bloice, Carpenter
Spouse Father Name: Stephen Bloss, Bricklayer

Both Samuel and Emma are widowed



sylvia

According to the 1861 Census, Samuel was born in Gt Bentley, Essex

or was it Great Bromley, Essex??


sylvia

Hello, Sylvia, Yes you have the right Samuel. I have all that info too, but it is Robert, the father, who is so puzzling. There are also heaps of other marriages, naming Robert Bloice (deceased) as the father of the marrying Bloice. I have a record of Robert, b 1804 in Snape, marrying Eleanor Bardwell, but then the succeeding census records show him as a grocer/shopkeeper. There has to be another one with a different wife, and that's who I'm looking for. Sarah Ann was my gggrandmother, and Samuel my ggguncle. Thanks for your efforts so far. M

Samuel Bloice born Great bromley 9/2/1820 to Samuel 1796 and maria Bowell 1795 married 8/10/1817.

Robert Bloice @ 1804 in Snape to Richard and Sarah nee Aldred.

A Richard born 15/7/1774 Charlesfield Suffolk to ROBERT and Elizabeth nee Scarlett.
Maryb

Name: Samuel Dobree Bloice
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 04 Jul 1819
Baptism/Christening Place: Great Bentley, Essex, England
Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Mother's Name: Martha Rebecca
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Robert Bloice
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 21 Oct 1817
Baptism/Christening Place: Great Bentley, Essex, England
Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Mother's Name: Martha Rebecca
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: William Bloice
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 10 Jul 1818
Baptism/Christening Place: Great Bentley, Essex, England
Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Mother's Name: Martha Rebecca
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Eliz. Mary Bloice
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 03 Dec 1830
Baptism/Christening Place: ST MARY WHITECHAPEL,STEPNEY,LONDON,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Mother's Name: Martha
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Name: Martha Maria Bloice
Gender: Female
Baptism/Christening Date: 12 May 1821
Baptism/Christening Place: Great Bentley, Essex, England
Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Mother's Name: Martha Rebecca
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Martha Rebecca Bloice died June 1864 in Holborn London.

Maryb

To both SnowyJen and Mary, thanks for your added help. This has certainly made things much more understandable. Regards, Margaret

Just a question to you all - was Sarah Ann Bloice part of this family, please? Her birth date is c1828, place Brantley, married William Longden Hatfield, 1852, Shoreditch, came to Oz very soon after marriage. Hoping, Margaret

On Ancestry.co.uk there are the following children born to a Robert and Martha in the baptism,marriage records,unfortunately I can't view the full image.

Martha Maria 1821 and she married Thomas Young
Charlotte Caroline married William Smith Jnr in 1849
Sarah Ann married William Longdon hatfield 1852 in Shoreditch London.
Edward Alfred Bloice.
But I can't verify any of the above.

I can't find them on 1841 /1851 census's to check them out.

Great Bentley Colchester Essex.
So I don't think it means Great Bromley.

Maryb

WILLIAM LONGDEN HATFIELD
Marriages:
Spouse: SARAH ANN BLOICE
Marriage: 01 MAR 1852 Saint Leonards, Shoreditch, London, England

Marriages Mar 1852
Bloice Sarah Ann
Hatfield William Longden
Shoreditch 1c 319



Name: James Frederick William Hatfield
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 20 Mar 1853
Baptism/Christening Place: St. James, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Birth Date: 02 Feb 1853
Father's Name: William Longdon Hatfield
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Collection: Australia Births and Baptisms, 1792-1981

On 1851 census Sarah ann is a servent so is Mary Eliz Bloice in the same household so its possible they are sisters and she is the Eliz Mary who's christening is above

1851
Name Sarah Ann Bloice also mary eliz bloice age 17
Age 23
Estimated Year of Birth 1828
Relationship to Head of Household Servant
Occupation Servant
Address Springfield Villas
District Hampstead, Hampstead
Parish Hampstead
Administrative County Middlesex
Birth Place Brantley
Birth County Essex

Thanks again, SnowyJen. I think your research is telling me that Sarah Ann and Samuel Dobree are not siblings. Since it is Sarah Ann to whom I am related directly, I will eliminate Samuel D, and add the others you found. I can certainly verify the Hatfield end of your research. Regards, M

Groom's Name: Robert Bloss
Bride's Name: Eleanor Bardwell
Marriage Date: 17 Nov 1836
Marriage Place: Blaxhall,Suffolk,England
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973

Sorry, SnowyJen, This Robert is from Snape, and his parents are Richard and Sarah. He is not the father of Sarah Ann or Samuel Dobree, so can't be the father of the others you found, as they all say Father Robert Bloice, mother Martha Rebecca. I found Edward Alfred this morning, but he died aged 9. Searching for the others who married, such as Charlotte Caroline and Martha Maria, in census returns, is an uphill battle, even on IGI. Oh for a miracle! But many thanks for your efforts up to now. Should I keep watching, or will we let it go? Margaret

An extra item: Emma Doggett was Emma Blofs, and Stephen was her father, Not sure if he was related to the Robert/Martha group, or just a signatory to Samuel Dobree's marriage to Emma. It may be a fairly mixed bloodline! M

Hi Margaret
I posted the marriage for Eleanor Bardwell to confirm she did actually marry a Robert Bloss not Bloice, as you originally posted.

Possible deaths
Deaths Dec 1875
BLOSS Eleanor age 65
Plomesgate 4a 441

Deaths Mar 1876
BLOSS Robert age 71
Plomesgate 4a 489

Margaret
Do you have Sarahs marriage certificate?
GRO: Shoreditch 1c 319
If so does it give her address at time of marriage and her fathers occupation?

Marriages

Groom's Name: Richard Allsop
Bride's Name: Martha Maria Young
Marriage Date: 23 Dec 1854
Marriage Place: St. Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Groom's Father's Name: John Allsop
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Widowed
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973



Groom's Name: James Brace
Bride's Name: Elizabeth Bloice
Marriage Date: 23 Feb 1868
Marriage Place: St. Andrew, Holborn, Middlesex, England
Groom's Father's Name: William Brace
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Groom's Marital Status: Single
Bride's Marital Status: Single
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973


Groom's Name: William Jr. Smith
Bride's Name: Charlotte Caroline Bloice
Marriage Date: 06 May 1849
Marriage Place: St. Mary'S, Lambeth, Surrey, England
Groom's Father's Name: William Smith
Bride's Father's Name: Robert Bloice
Collection: England Marriages, 1538–1973