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Has anyone got any details of Robert Ryle Bagnall's marriage to Mary Jane. nee?
Married about 1890.
He was born in Carville. Co. Durham. in 1846
She was born in Aldershot in 1868
Thanks.

Might have that YOB reversed!!

1891 England Census

Name: Robert Ryle Bagnall
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Broomside, Durham, England

Civil parish: St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: Belmont St Mary Magdalene
Town: Carrville
County/Island: Durham

Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas

Robert Ryle Bagnall 28
Mary Bagnall 22 Where born: Aldershot, Hampshire, England
John W Bagnall 1
Ann N Bagnall 2/12

Can't see the marriage. Just in case you don't have 1911:

BAGNALL, Robert Ryle Head Married M 47 1864 Miner Stoneman Carville County Durham VIEW
BAGNALL, Mary Jane Ryde Wife Married
21 years F 43 1868 Aldershot Barraks VIEW
BAGNALL, John William Son Single M 21 1890 Miner Hewer Canville County Durham VIEW
BAGNALL, Ann Norah Daughter Single F 20 1891 Canville County Durham VIEW
BAGNALL, Maraget Daughter Single F 18 1893 Canville County Durham VIEW
BAGNALL, Ellen Daughter F 13 1898 School Canville County Durham VIEW
BAGNALL JUNR, Robert Son M 10 1901 School Canville County Durham VIEW
BAGNALL, Thomas Son M 7 1904 Canville County Durham VIEW
BAGNALL, Joseph Daghish Son M 3 1908 Canville County Durham VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29979 Reference:
RG14PN29979 RG78PN1733 RD551 SD2 ED18 SN92

Registration District:
Durham Sub District:
Durham Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Belmont

Address:
19 Bainbridge Street Belmont Durham County:
Durham

Robert Ryle Bagnall to Mary Jane Petch July quarter 1898 Sunderland Durham Tyne and Wear BMD 10a 1074

Down as Thomas on freebmd !!

Marriages Sep 1898

>>>>>>>>>>>Bagnall Thomas Ryle Sunderland 10a 1074
Bell Septimus Sunderland 10a 1074
Hilton Laura Isabella Sunderland 10a 1074
PETCH Mary Jane Sunderland 10a 1074

Thanks Michael, thought I was going a bit mad there! A bit strange that.
Jan

Wondering if this is Robert's brother.
Robert and Mary Jane look to be already married in 1891.
..and in 1911 it says they have been married 21 years.

Maybe Thomas?

1901 England Census about Thomas B Bagnall
Name: Thomas B Bagnall
Age: 31
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Relation: Brother-in-law
Gender: Male
Where born: Carrille, Durham, England
Civil parish: Southwick
Ecclesiastical parish: Southwick Holy Trinity
Town: Southwick
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Sunderland
Sub-registration district: Monkwearmouth
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 311
Household Members:
Name Age
Matthew Lamb 19
Sarah A Lamb 20
Mary C Lamb 2weeks
Thomas B Bagnall 31
Mary J Bagnall 25


Dee x

So where is Joan's find from? Different quarter to Michael's.
Jan

Must be Thomas and Mary 1911:

BAGNALL, Thomas B Head Married M 40 1871 Carrville Co Durham VIEW
BAGNALL, Mary Jane Wife Married 12 years F 35 1876 Speennymoor VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
29979 Reference:
RG14PN29979 RG78PN1733 RD551 SD2 ED18 SN314

Registration District:
Durham Sub District:
Durham Enumeration District:
18 Parish:
Belmont

Address:
109 High St Carrville Belmont Durham County:
Durham

Looked 1881 for Mary's born aldershot and living in Durham. There are 2 with no middle initial:

Name: Mary Healy
Birth: abt 1867 - Aldershot
Residence: 1881 - Darlington, Durham, England

Name: Mary Quinn
Birth: abt 1868 - Aldershot
Residence: 1881 - St Giles, Durham, England

Noticed Mary born Aldershot barracks so might be this one as father (I think) is a pensioner, looks like sergeant??


1881 England Census

Name: Mary Quinn
Age: 13
Estimated birth year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Female
Where born: Aldershot

Civil parish: St Giles
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: Belmont (Bridge Row)

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Durham

Thomas Quinn 49
Annie Quinn 40
Wm. Quinn 16
Philip Quinn 14
Mary Quinn 13
Edward Quinn 8
Robert Quinn 6
Henry Quinn 4

So he's still in the area in 1881;

1881 England Census about Robt. Ryle
Name: Robt. Ryle
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Mother's Name: Margt.
Gender: Male
Where born: Broomside, Durham, England
Civil parish: St Giles
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: Carrville
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Iron Moulder
Registration district: Durham
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Robert Ryle 45
Margt. Ryle 45
Joseph D. Ryle 19
Robt. Ryle 16
John W. Ryle 14
Thomas B. Ryle 11
George L. Ryle 9
Margt. A. Ryle 2


AND maybe married just using the Ryle surname??

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%)
ERRINGTON Frances Durham 10a 523
GILL John Durham 10a 523
>>>>>>>QUINN Mary Durham 10a 523
>>>>>>>>Ryle Robert Durham 10a 523


Dee x

July in same quarter as Sept.

Maybe freebmd have it mistranscribed...
and yet there's that statement of being married 21 years by 1911.

Jan I think we cracked it!!!


Dee x

Oh dear so is this one!!

You need a child's birth cert possibly?

1881 England Census

Name: Mary Healy
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Aldershot

Civil parish: Darlington
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address: 5 Punch Bowl Yd

Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Darlington
Sub-registration district: Darlington

James Healy 44
Mary Healy 40
Mary Healy 14
Margt. Healy 11
James Healy 7
Joseph A. Healy 2

Dee, just saw your post - we might be right!
Jan

Looks like Robert and Mary Quinn were in the same parish of St Giles in 1881 ... so i think we could be right Jan.

Michael, re. married 21 years in 1911 - men and anniversaries you know??
Jan

Brian, you have a lot of explaining to do !! :)

Brian,

I think the marriage is on the message of 5th August 2010 21:53 just under the 1881 census.

looks like Robert married under the Ryle name.

EDIT>>>>>>>>>>> Brian has deleted, hopefully he's seen the marriage details now??


Dee x