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A family story is that my ancestor Robert Allmand (name varies - Almand, Allman etc) was the mayor of Wrexham, Wales. He was born c1800. Ive looked for him on the list of mayors but that only goes from 1857 and hes not listed. Can anyone help?

Tom

http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/council/mayoralty/mayoralty_history.htm

Historical Background to the Mayors of WrexhamPrior to 1857, the administration of Wrexham was undertaken largely by the manorial courts of the leading gentry, and the parish Vestry. The manorial courts had become incapable of coping with increasingly complicated local government duties long before 1857 and the Church’s Vestry compensated by adding secular matters to its original church business.

However, problems of administering local government remained with different authorities controlling different matters within Wrexham and public health issues in particular causing problems. Leading townsfolk decided to petition the Privy Council to grant the town a Charter of Incorporation which was granted on the 23 September 1857.

The Charter of Incorporation laid the broad democratic basis upon which modern local government was to develop in Wrexham, and saw the founding of the Borough Council of Wrexham with Wrexham’s first Mayor, Thomas Edgworth.

Today, the Mayors of Wrexham are elected from amongst the members of the Council at its Annual Meeting and serve a term of one year, although in past years some mayors have served in the post for two or more years.

That's because the first Mayor of Wrexham was appointed in 1857

Historical Background to the Mayors of Wrexham
Prior to 1857, the administration of Wrexham was undertaken largely by the manorial courts of the leading gentry, and the parish Vestry. The manorial courts had become incapable of coping with increasingly complicated local government duties long before 1857 and the Church’s Vestry compensated by adding secular matters to its original church business.

If Robert Allmand was born c1800 then he may have been Mayor after 1857.

Tom - have you found him on any census? However, don't know if Mayor would show as an occupation but his actual occupation might give a clue as to any type of involvement.

he's not on the list of past mayors at

http://www.wrexham.gov.uk/english/council/mayoralty/mayoralty_list.htm

I cant find him in the census, the surname varies so much its difficult to trace him. I know he was a publican and a timber merchant aswell. I imagine it was pre-1857.

Tom

ok take a step back. what was the name of hi son or other relatives you know about.

Tom?

Possible death:
Deaths Sep 1859
ALLMAND Robert Wrexham 11b 214

His first wife was called Susanna Lee. She died in 1829. I am unsure of this but i belive he remarried to a Mary Roberts.

Tom

How did you get back to him?

Where does he fit into your family tree?

Is this where you get your idea that Robert may have married Mary Roberts?

Name: Robert Almond
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date: 28 Jun 1834
Baptism/Christening Place: INDEPENDENT,MALPAS,CHESHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date: 25 Feb 1834
Birthplace:
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Robt. Almond
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Mary Roberts
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C07668-1
System Origin: England-ODM
Source Film Number: 20048
Reference Number:
Collection: England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975


FULL Batch info.......................................

Almond, British Isles
Father: Robert , Mother: Mary
Exact Spelling: Off
Batch Number: C076681

1. THOMAS ALMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUL 1830 Independent, Malpas, Cheshire, England DOB 7 Feb 1830

2. ROBERT ALMOND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 28 JUN 1834 Independent, Malpas, Cheshire, England DOB 25 Feb 1834

3. MARY ALMOND - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 28 JUN 1834 Independent, Malpas, Cheshire, England DOB 23 Dec 1831

4. RACHEL ALMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 17 JUL 1828 Independent, Malpas, Cheshire, England DOB 22 Mar 1828

5. ELIZABETH ALMAN - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 21 JAN 1827 Independent, Malpas, Cheshire, England DOB 10 Nov 1826

Name: Robert Alman
Gender: Male
Event Type: Marriage
Birth Date:
Christening Date:
Marriage Date: 07 Feb 1826
Banns Date:
Death Date:
Burial Date:
Event Date:
Birthplace: of this parish & township of Wigland
Christening Place:
Marriage Place: Malpas, Cheshire, England
Banns Place:
Death Place:
Burial Place:
Event Place:
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Principal's Marital Status:
Principal's Residence: , Malpas, Cheshire, England
Spouse's Name: Mary Roberts
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Residence: , Malpas, Cheshire, England
Spouse's Father:
Spouse's Mother:
Age:
Image Number: 173
Digital Folder Number: 4011811
Film Number: 1538147
Collection: England, Cheshire Bishop's Transcripts, 1598-1900


Can't be the same man.........IF your info about 'first' wife's death is accurate

1851 for the man who married Mary Roberts

Name: Robert Almand
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1809
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann Almand
Gender: Male
Where born: Clutton, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish or Township: Halghton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Asaph
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales
Registration district: Ellesmere
Sub-registration district: Overton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 40
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Almand 42 *************Occ: Wheelwright
Mary Ann Almand 54
Thomas Almand 21
Mary Almand 19

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The census return i havent been able to find! This is very helpful, as i wasnt sure of his second marriage, but the occupation is the same. Although his first marriage was in 1818, so he couldnt hav been born in 1809.......

Ive just looked it up and he was born in 1789, which fits!

If the FIRST wife died in 1829, he couldn't marry in 1826.

PLEASE....if you really want help....tell us how you got BACK to this man.........

You say the occupation is the 'same'.......the same as what?

You orignally allege that he was a timber merchant and publican...both of which are far-removed from wheelwright

Some serious sorting out seems to be necessary....................

I guess this is the 1841 (ages rounded):
1841 census transcription details for: Halghton Lane Mill Stone, Hanmer, Halghton

National Archive Reference:
RG number: HO107 Piece: 1408 Book/Folio: 5/7 Page: 9


Reg. District: Ellesmere Sub District: Hanmer
Parish: Hanmer Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Halghton Lane Mill Stone, Hanmer, Halghton
County: Flintshire

ALLMAN, Robert M 50 1791 Occ:Wheelwright and Publican
ALLMAN, Mary F 45 1796
ALLMAN, Thomas M 10 1831 Flintshire
ALLMAN, Mary F 9 1832 Flintshire

Maureen

Flick, sorry i gave you the wrong death date, it was 1824, so it does fit. in records he has been down as a Wheelwright and publican. Family say he was a timbermerchant, publican and the mayor of wrexham.
To find him i asked relatives who got me back to William Bennion 1849 - his grandson and i used census returns and BMD certificates to get back to Robert.
I appreciate the help, Tom

So if he died 1824 he cannot have been mayor of wrexham. perhaps it was another family member?