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trying to find out about my nan?( elizabeth roberts)
she was born in ireland,( killarney) i think in november 1904 but can't find that .she married a james campbell who was a scot but can't find out when i think that might have been in ireland? he died in the war i think ?
she remarried a andrew sharkey who was from ireland in 1938 richmond
as i don't have any family to ask this is all from the genealogist web site anyone that can help would be a great help to me

David,

You have forgotten to tellus your nans name.

Annx

sorry just add it

Can't see a Sharkey/Campbell marriage?? Is that the correct spelling of Sharkey?

Mary

EDIT: Re-Married in her maiden name??

Name: Andrew Sharkey
Spouse Surname: Roberts
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1938
Registration district: Surrey North Eastern
Registration county (inferred): Surrey
Volume Number: 2a
Page Number: 179
Find Spouse: Elizabeth Roberts

Deleted death info as incorrect - message from David says she died in Canada.

Mary

i could not find
Campbell/Roberts marriage any where but i could not work out how to get around the ireland site
but i found Roberts /sharkey marriage
dave

So you need to get that marriage certificate, David.

It will give you her age and father's name -- hopefully.

You order it here:

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/


There are 6 births to that marriage in Surrey N / NE registration district, all girls but one. Are you in touch with all their families?

Oops, my mistake -- there was another Sharkey-Roberts marriage in Surrey North Eastern, one year earlier. That seems a little coincidental! Do you know which births belong to your Sharkey-Roberts couple? (Don't put the birth details here if they are or may be still living, though.)

Are you in touch with the two people who have one of those children in their trees here at GR? One of them has John Sharkey (presumably the one who married in Surrey 1937) as

John Sharkey 1906 Cartoonmore, Ballagh...

You have your Andrew as

Andrew Sharkey 1908 Killarney,Ireland

The person who has the John Sharkey I mentioned above has

Andrew Sharkey 1906 Killarney, Southern ...

Is this your Andrew Sharkey's death?

Name: Andrew Sharkey
Birth Date: 5 Oct 1908
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1969
Age at Death: 60
Registration district: Kingston Upon Thames
Registration County: Greater London
Volume: 5c
Page: 1724

It's quite unusual for a woman to remarry under her birth surname, whether she is divorced or widowed. Are you absolutely certain that the person who married Andrew Sharkey is your Elizabeth Campbell born Roberts?

Can you explain the circumstances in which she ended up in Canada? Is there other family here (I'm in Canada) now?

David, you aren't still replying to posts by private message, are you?

I have in my inbox two messages from two years ago saying

"hi thank you for your reply my aunt got the year wrong it was 1896 "
and
"yes the childern are right"

... I didn't know what they were about then, and I still don't ...


Please, please -- answer in the thread, not by private message.

David, it seems to me you need to start over with what *you* know.

This doesn't make sense for starters:

"she was born in ireland,( killarney) i think in november 1904 but can't find that .she married a james campbell who was a scot but can't find out when i think that might have been in ireland? he died in the war i think ?"

A person born in 1904 was not old enough to have a husband who died in World War One. (And she was married to someone else by World War Two.)


"this is all from the genealogist web site"

Yes, well, I don't know what website that is, but it is not making a stitch of sense.

I can't see any reason to think that the Elizabeth Roberts who married Andrew Sharkey is your Elizabeth Roberts who had married a Campbell.

Unless you know of some children your Elizabeth had while married to Sharkey -- do you?

Please tell us what you *know*.

Your father is a child of Elizabeth Roberts and James Campbell?

He's deceased, I believe. Can you tell us where and when he was born, his name, whether he had any brothers and sisters?

Please read through the questions in this thread carefully, and please come back and tell us only what *you* *know*!

Then we'll see what we can see.

Okay, David, I googled.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/records_office/thread/1157436

A thread about EXACTLY THE SAME PERSON as this one. (And I'm very sure that the messages you sent me in 2009 were about yet another thread about the same person.)

"can't find death in gro in uk or canada
my nan born 1903 in ireland elizabeth roberts, married a james campbell born 1896 in dundee he died , she then married an andy sharky and he died she went to canada over the christmas hoildays 1976 and she died of a heart attack i think she was buried in the uk"

mgnv informed you how to get a death certificate in Ontario -- you said that your nan died in 1976 in Goodwood, Ontario, a place so tiny and obscure I've never heard of it, even though my mother and sister have lived 20 miles from there for the last 10 years.

Did you do that? Did you apply for a death certificate for your nan?

There are rules, you know, and a big one is: only one post per topic.

I have the feeling I must have done a lot of this once already.

Do you *know* any of these things yourself, from personal knowledge?

If your nan died in Canada at Christmas 1976 after the death of her husband ... is it possible that this is the death of her husband? --

Name: James Arthur Campbell
Birth Date: 3 Nov 1895
>> Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1976
Age at Death: 81
Registration district: Surrey South Eastern
Registration County: Surrey
Volume: 17
Page: 1072

and that this whole Sharkey business is a red herring?

I wonder whether maybe your Elizabeth Roberts was quite young in WWI, maybe not quite as young as you have her, and had a baby with a James Campbell to whom she wasn't married.

If you *know* that your Elizabeth married Andrew Sharkey, this could explain why her name wasn't Campbell.

Is your dad the son of James Campbell?


Here is a James Campbell who died late in 1918 in WWI:

Name: CAMPBELL
Initials: J A T
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Driver
Regiment/Service: Army Service Corps
Unit Text: 209th Horse Transport Coy.
Age: 22
Date of Death: 19/08/1918
Service No: T4/247254
Additional information: Son of Hugh Osborne Campbell and Agnes Taylor Campbell, of 73, Chancellor St., Partick, Glasgow.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: 1489.
Cemetery: SALONIKA (LEMBET ROAD) MILITARY CEMETERY

The medal card for the name James AT Campbell matches the service number T4/247254 and T4/2064, Army Service Corps, and says he served in Egypt and entered the military in June 1915.

Ah, I have found that person's service record.

Name: James Anderson Taylor Campbell
Residence: 13 India St, Partick
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 2064
Regiment Name: Army Service Corps
Number of images: 14

He died of meningitis on 19 August 1918 in Salonica and he had been overseas since 1915. No widow and no children.



This is all the purest *speculation* just in an effort to make some sense out fo the things you have said, and it isn't working much.

There is a Bessie Roberts on the 1911 census.ie age 8 born Killarney, could this be your Elizabeth Roberts?
Nearly a thousand James Campbell's in Ireland in1911.

this is not the james campbell as his name is on my dad birth cert and he was born 1931 .
i know nan married andrew sharkey in 1938
i do know my aunty shirley sharkey was born 1940

David -- please "untick" the message of mine that you have ticked as "answered".
(That doesn't mean that you have answered my question,
it means that I answered your question --
and your question hasn't been answered, so there is no point in saying it has.)

David you are still sending private messages, and then saying "sorry".
I have no idea why you keep doing this.

All your message said was:
that is the right Andrew Sharkey (the death, I assume)
and
your nan died on holidays in Canada when she had a heart attack.

We knew this.

Please don't send private messages.

Please **give the information you have** when people ask for it !!!!!!

I asked whether there is family in Canada now.
What was your nan doing in Goodwood, Ontario?
There must have been family there.
Goodwood looks like one tiny crossroads in a rural area.
Why would someone go there??
Is that really the name of the place where she was?
Have you got her death certificate yet?
If you haven't, why not?
It could give you valuable information -- like her date of birth ...

If James Campbell was your dad's father,
and your dad was born in 1931,
then James Campbell certainly did not die in World War One.
Did you mean he died in World War Two??
(after Elizabeth married Sharkey ...)

If you know that his name was on your dad's birth certificate,
then you know what it said his occupation was.
What was his occupation?
Was James Campbell his full name? No middle name?

Does your dad's birth certificate say that Elizabeth was Campbell formerly Roberts?
Or just Roberts?

You don't *know* that Elizabeth Roberts ever married James Campbell, right?
And since her name was Roberts when she married Sharkey,
she obviously never did marry Campbell.

You still have not told us whether you have the certificate of the marriage to Andrew Sharkey,
and if you do -- what it says for their ages, their fathers' names, etc.


I'm afraid that this is where I give up.
Once again, you are asking people to do things for you and just not doing anything at all to help.

You saying the same thing over and over (the Sharkey marriage, your nan's death)
without **answering the questions** people ask
just isn't going to get anybody anywhere.

You may have a mystery that can't be solved.
You never know.
But if you don't share what you do know, it's certain it never will be solved.

my aunt lived in goodwood, ontario and she went there every couple of years to see her.
i know she was bourght back and buried in kingston,uk
i have sent of the death certificate of my nan also the wedding certificate between elizabeth roberts and andrew sharkey
i dont know anything about james campbell i only sore a photo of james campbell in army uniform and was told he was my grandad.
on my dad's birth certificate it has her down as elizabeth campbell formerly roberts so i took that as she was married.
if ww2 started 1936 elizabeth roberts & andrew sharkey married in 1938 in kingston i think
sorry i am a bit slow on answering you all but i live in australia

i know james campbell when't to killarney and worked there as a plant manager at a shoe factory where he met elizabeth roberts they then moved to wales then bristol
i know my nan had a sister molly & 2 brother's jack & paddy all born in killarney.
info i have grandad roberts was welsh
the rest is what i am trying to find out

have sent away for wedding cert of sharkey/roberts waiting for it to come.
got my dad's birth cert it say's
fathers name james campbell
occupation bootmaker/journeyman
mother elizabeth campbell formerly roberts
lived 6 clifton wood terrace, clifton,bristol
sorry about the ww2 date always got that wrong
also could not find a death cert on my nan under sharkey but i found one under e campbell in kingston where she lived so i thought if my uncle did it he could have done it that way so i sent away for that death cert to have a look
do you think that could help

David

Did your father have a brother a year older than himself?

Did he have an older sister called Daisy?

Mary

David,

Did you check the irish census?

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/

It shows Bessie (probably your Elizabeth) Roberts born Killarney 1903
She has 6 brothers and sisters. Robert, John (probably your Jack), Patrick (probably your Paddy), Dora, Mary (could be Molly or there could have been another child after 1911) and Daniel.
Father Robert.
Mother Kate.

If you go to irishgenealogy.ie you will find most of the baptism, parents marriage, parents for Robert and Kate and that the surname use to be Robart

Pam