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I can't find this couple on any censuses or in the FreeBMD death records. They married in Christ Church, Greenwich on 28 Sept 1879 when he was 28 and she was 29. Her father was William Smith, his father was Frederick Oswin. Could they have emigrated?
Thanks.

Frederick J. Oswin
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick Oswin
Mother's Name: Caroline E. Oswin
Gender: Male
Where born: Marylebone, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: St Giles in The Fields
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 10 Gower Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Household Members: Name Age
Frederick Oswin 54
Caroline E. Oswin 66
Frederick J. Oswin 29
George Oswin 27
Caroline F. Oswin 27
Jane Wilkinson 27
William Slade 14
Samuel G. Levey 46

????

Frederick John Oswin
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
birth: 17 Apr 1851
christening: 07 Aug 1851 ALL SOULS,?ST MARYLEBONE,?LONDON,?ENGLAND
residence: 1851 London,? England
parents: Frederick Oswin,? Caroline Elizabeth


name: Frederick John Oswin
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 07 Aug 1851
baptism/christening place: ALL SOULS,ST MARYLEBONE,LONDON,ENGLAND
birth date: 17 Apr 1851
father's name: Frederick Oswin
mother's name: Caroline Elizabeth
indexing project (batch) number: C05391-1
system origin: England-ODM
source film number: 580893

Looks like he died in Australia

Frederick Oswin
Death Place: Castlemaine, Victoria
Age: 36
Father's Name: Frederick
Mother's Name: Carol Gildard
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 872
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852


Seems to be correct as this is his parents marriage

Marriages Sep 1849 (>99%)
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Francis George Kensington 3 275
>>GELDARD Caroline Elizabeth Kensington 3 275
Hill Walter Kensington 3 275
Martin Charles Kensington 3 275
McRitchie Flora Kensington 3 275
>>Oswin Frederick Kensington 3 275
Smith Jane Kensington 3 275
Waterman Sarah Kensington 3 275


Could be that he travelled alone because this looks like a daughter's birth

Frederica Jessie Oswin
Father's Name: Frederick John Oswin
Mother's Name: Jane Maria Challender
Birth Place: Sandhurst, Victoria
Registration Year: 1888
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 24437


Their marriage

Jane Maria Challinder
Spouse Name: Frederick John Oswin
Marriage Place: Victoria
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Year: 1887
Registration Number: 5473

1881

Frederick OSWIN Head M Male 54 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Surgeon Dentist
Caroline E. OSWIN Wife M Female 66 Hackney, Middlesex, England
Frederick J. OSWIN Son M Male 29 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Mercantile Clerk
George OSWIN Son U Male 27 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Bankers Clerk
Caroline F. OSWIN Daur U Female 27 Marylebone, Middlesex, England
Jane WILKINSON Serv U Female 27 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Gen Serv (Domes)
William SLADE Serv U Male 14 Marylebone, Middlesex, England Page (Dom)
Samuel G. LEVEY Boarder U Male 46 Dover, Kent, England Insurance Agent


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Source Information:
Dwelling 10 Gower Street
Census Place London, Middlesex, England
Family History Library Film 1341070
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0325 / 4
Page Number 2

female on original -

1881

RINGROSE, Chas Head Married M 24 1857 Cabinet Maker
Kingsland
Middlesex VIEW
RINGROSE, Sarah Wife Married F 23 1858
Kingsland
Middlesex VIEW
RINGROSE, Adeline Daughter Single F 2 1879
Essex VIEW
>>>>>OSWIN, A Lodger Married M 27 1854 Trimming Maker
Shoreditch
Middlesex VIEW

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Piece:
395 Folio:
49 Page:
29 Registration District:
Shoreditch

Civil Parish:
Shoreditch Municipal Borough:
Address:
86, Crondall Street, Shoreditch County:
London, Middlesex

????

1881

Augustus HOLLAND Head M Male 60 Brighton, Sussex, England Land Burner
Elizabeth HOLLAND Wife M Female 60 Lington, Essex, England
Augustus J. HOLLAND Son U Male 35 Clapham, Surrey, England Solicitor
Margaret HOLLAND Daur U Female 33 Epsom, Surrey, England
Aletha A. SMITH Niece U Female 23 London, Middlesex, England
Arthur G. HOLLAND Son U Male 28 Epsom, Surrey, England Wine Merchant
Robert G. HOLLAND Son U Male 25 Epsom, Surrey, England
James FRIEND Serv U Male 28 Ramsgate, Kent, England Butler
William HANFORD Serv U Male 29 Oakham, Surrey, England Coal Man (D)
Alice PULSFORD Serv W Female 42 Whitchurch Cannon, Dorset, England Cook
Louisa COLLINS Serv M Female 38 Ramsgate, Kent, England House Maid
Minnie HUBERT Serv Female 14 Epsom, Surrey, England Kitchen Maid


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Source Information:
Dwelling Saint Marys
Census Place Uplyme, Devon, England
Family History Library Film 1341513
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 2126 / 94
Page Number 9

very elusive this looks like him on the 1871 census]

OSWIN, Frederick Head M 44 1827 Middlesex VIEW
OSWIN, Caroline E Wife F 49 1822 Middlesex VIEW
OSWIN, Frederick J Son M 19 1852 Middlesex VIEW >>>
OSWIN, George Son M 17 1854 Middlesex VIEW
OSWIN, Caroline F Daughter F 17 1854 Middlesex VIEW
OSWIN, Charles Father M 69 1802 Middlesex VIEW
HODGKINSON, George E Lodger M 54 1817 Nottinghamshire VIEW
HODGKINSON, Edmund H Lodger M 13 1858 Middlesex VIEW
WHITE, Hannah Servant F 36 1835 Norfolk VIEW

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Piece:
153 Folio:
70 Page:
42 Registration District:
Marylebone

Civil Parish:
Marylebone Municipal Borough:
Address:
Weymouth Street, Marylebone County:
London, Middlesex

Anne - thanks - I've got him before his marriage, he just vanishes after it!
Oh, but he married in 1879 yet was at home with his parents (and without his wife) in 1881! Hmm.
Astra - so it looks as if they did emigrate - I presume that's Victoria, Australia? Many thanks both.

Alithea Smith Pedigree
Female Family
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Parents:
Father: William Smith Family
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Marriages:
Spouse: Frederick John Oswin Family
Marriage: 28 SEP 1879 Greenwich, Kent, England

This is getting complicated! Why were they living apart in 1881??? Or if he was visiting his parents, why isn't he listed as visitor? Hmmm again!

His arrival in Australia?

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923
about Fred Oswin Name: Fred Oswin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Age: 25
Arrival Date: 31 Mar 1887
Arrival Port: Hobart, Melbourne and Sydney, Australia
Departure Port: London
Ship: Gulf of Venice
Nationality: English

Edit: just noticed he's 10 years too young but can't view original to see if it's mistranscription.

I have just found a tree on Ancestry that has Jane Maria Challinder's and Frederick John's details and time line. If you want to make contact with the tree owner just PM me your e mail address and i will contact them for you. The owner is a direct descendent of their daughter Frederica.

The tree is free here:

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/h/a/Wayne-J-Challinder-Villawood/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0190.html

Brilliant - many thanks. I found a wrong age on an emigration list too - his grandfather Charles Oswin was put down as 45 when he arrived in America in 1855 but he should have been 54!

Next question - when did Alithea (Smith) Oswin die? Or have we got a 2nd bigamist in the family??? Frederick's uncle Richard Oswin, my great great grandfather, was a bigamist, and he also travelled the world as he was a steward on steam ships. Hmmm. :-S

There doesn't seem to be any record of her after the 1881 so maybe she lived with someone and took their surname but didnt marry them

?? remarriage Alethea Smith London Kensington Mar Qtr 1889 1A 186 to Robert Clark or George Henry Durnford

EDIT - Alethia and Robert Clark found 1891 Queens Rd Croydon. She is stated as b 1862 b Reading, so not right.

That would be par for the course - Ann Bongard turns up as Ann Oswin long before the bigamous marriage to Richard!

There seem to be quite a lot of Alithea Smiths, unfortunately! I'm off out now - will check board when I get back. Thanks everyone! :-)