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That baptism for Sidney is also the same address, his birthdate 23 July.

Births Sep 1887 MARTIN Sidney Wandsworth 1d 681

Gay, do you know what your Sidney's birthday was?

Have no idea of birth date

Found this could it be connected.??

1891 West Battersea D58 18 5,Dulka road.
James Kiranas (looks like Kurrias on original) 1857 born Strand London Printer in echo office
Kate 1858 Fulham music teacher
Fred born Battersea says 8 but could be 6
Kate 10 Battersea
Sidney 4 Battersea.

Can't check out anything else as I'am not sure of surname.
I thought if Kate had remarried then this may have been her.

Maryb.

I think the name is Stringer.

This may be the marriage but there is a female missing!

Marriages Dec 1888
ALGER Emily Lucy Wandsworth 1d 1077
Jotham Percy Wandsworth 1d 1077
STRINGER James Wandsworth 1d 1077
SURRIDGE Catherine Wandsworth 1d 1077
TOTHAM Percy Wandsworth 1d 1077

EDIT

Sorry there isn't a female missing. Percy is on there twice. And the surname is wrong for the Catherine if she is the correct Kate. Unless of course she never married Frederick.

I wonder if James and Kate didn't marry as he may already have been married?

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Dec 1878 (>99%)
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BRICKETT Fanny Kezia Wandsworth 1d 1034
FRANCIS George William Wandsworth 1d 1034
PIPE Phoebe Isabella Wandsworth 1d 1034
Stringer James Wandsworth 1d 1034


1891

Name: Phoebe Stringer
[Phoebe Pipe]
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Pipe
Mother's Name: Martha Pipe
Gender: Female
Where born: Rumburgh, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: Wandsworth
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Wandsworth
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: Wandsworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 447
Folio: 135
Page Number: 57
Household Members: Name Age
James Pipe 58
Martha Pipe 57
Elizabeth Pipe 37
Phoebe Stringer 31 Married
John Pipe 23
Charles Pipe 18
James Stringer 9

1901

Name: Phoebe I Stringer
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Rumburgh, Suffolk, England

Civil parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Pimlico
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: Belgrave
ED, institution, or vessel: 44
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 90
Folio: 60
Page Number: 9
Household Members: Name Age
Phoebe I Stringer 41 Married
James H Stringer 49


James H Striger is aged 19 years on the actual imge and his occupation is Printers Apprentice.

Not understanding the Stringer connection Rootgatherer,or am I having a senior moment.

I seem to be getting a lot of late.

Maryb.

MarieCeleste,could you please check to see if there was a Kate Martin baptised by the same family 1881/2.

I can see a birth 1882 but not a baptism.

Thankyou Maryb.

I'd be tempted to get the birth cert of either Fred or Sidney (the ones in Wandsworth) and see where that leads me.

Just wondering about this:
Marriages Dec 1889
MARTIN Kate Wandsworth 1d 1209
PARKER William Henry Wandsworth 1d 1209

1891 census transcription details for: 6, Berkeley Road, Tunbridge, Tunbridge Wells
RG number: RG12 Piece: 677 Folio: 37 Page: 19
Reg. District: Tunbridge Sub District: Tunbridge Wells
PARKER, William H Head Married M 26 1865 Solicitors Clerk
Fordcomb
Kent
PARKER, Kate Wife Married F 27 1864
Woking
Surrey
PARKER, Frederick Son M 5 1886
London
PARKER, Sidney Son M 4 1887
London
PARKER, Harry H Son M 1 1890
Tunbridge Wells
Kent
RICKWOOD, Florence N Servant Single F 13 1878 Domestic Servant
Maidstone
Kent

Fred's birthdate is off,though. And of course the 2 older boys may have been born as Parker.

I lose Fred and Sidney after that.
...............
1901 census transcription details for: 158, Manners Road, Portsmouth
RG number: RG13 Piece: 987 Folio: 100 Page: 19

Reg. District: Portsmouth Sub District: Kinston and East Southsea
PARKER, William H Head Married M 35 1866 Brewers Agent
Fordcombe
Kent
PARKER, Kate R Wife Married F 36 1865
Woking
Surrey
PARKER, Henry M Son M 9 1892
Tunbridge Wells
Kent
PARKER, Gladys E Daughter F 5 1896
Tunbridge Wells
Kent
....................
1911 census transcription details for: Glass Castle Farm Uckfield
RG14PN4954 RG78PN216 RD74 SD3 ED3 SN245

Reg. District: Uckfield Sub District: Isfield
PARKER, William Henry Head Married M 45 1866 Law Clerk Kent Fordcombe
PARKER, Kate Wife Married
22 years F 44 1867 Surrey Woking
PARKER, Gladys Evelyn Daughter Single F 15 1896 Stationers Apprentice Kent Tunbridge Wells

Good luck!

Maureen

Mary, I followed on from the 1891 census with James Kiranas. Going backwards (although I couldn't find him even as Stringer in 1901). In 1871 James Stringer's details fit. (year and place of birth etc). James Stringer marries Pheobe and has a son James with her (the one who is the printer's apprentice in 1901) but isn't with her in 1891 or 1901. I think that he is the man with Kate and her family in 1891 but wasn't free to marry her.

I think the "K" of James's surname looks more like "St" on the actual image.

Sorry If I have confused the issue. Like you Mary, I was wondering if the boys were lurking under a different surname in 1891.

I am reading your posts today with interest - have been at work - when get time will consider your interesting suggestions

Many thanks for the interest you are taking I have been trying to get to grips with the Sidney problem for years and am determined to find out more before this winter comes to an end

Gay

Just had a second opinion on 1891 census,they can't see where it says Stringer either.

If you look above their entry there is a Stuart which doesn't look like the Kurrias writing.

Guess is the surname starts with a K or H followed by (urrias)

Maryb.

I can't make heads or tails out of it either,Maryb.

Also couldn't find a Kate Martin baptism. It looks as though Sidney and Fred are the only ones listed.

Best,
Maureen

1911 Glass Castle farm Uckfield Sussex
William henry parker married 22 years 3 children born to marriage 1 died.He is a law clerk

Kate born Woking Surrey
Gladys Evelyn 1896 Stationers Apprentice.

1901 They had Henry M Parker 1898.

1891 they had Harry H Parker 1890 (Could this be the one that died)

Maryb.

Call me crazy,but that 1891 couldn't by any stretch read Thomas,could it??

Just messing about with the baptisms:
All London, England, Births and Baptisms
Frederick Arthur Thomas 25 Sep 1887 Parents:James Thomas,
Kate Thomas Battersea St Stephen Wandsworth

James Sidney Thomas 25 Sep 1887 Parents:James Thomas,
Kate Thomas Battersea St Stephen Wandsworth

Father is a printer. No dates of birth are given.

Maureen

I found this in 1881.

James Toussaint born 1857 STRAND Printers Assistant!!
Alice 1856
James 1878
Alice 1880.

I was wondering if that could be the guy in 1891 but???

Its annoying me now!!

Maryb.

Sorry,my eyesight needs a rest!!!!!

Maureen :-)

I think the 1891 with James, Kate and the three boys is a suspiciously close match, however I don't think the name is Stringer - I'd concur with the K/Hurrias option. The occupation is a coincidence, though. I don't know London very well but is it possible the area where they were would be where a lot of printers lived anyway?

Perhaps it is James Stringer and he was living under an assumed name because he'd run off from Phoebe?! Rootgatherer has a good point there.

What about deaths for a Frederick Martin?

Re: James Toussaint - by 1891 his wife Alice appears to have remarried to a George D Mill.

Got to pop out for a wee while, this one is going to keep me awake at nights!