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new query re my post 4/3


Help please in finding the birth details of the above. I have found his baptismal record for 25/6/1848 at St peter's in Liverpool. Also found him on 1851 census. parents James and Bridget Usher.
I want to order his Birth certificate but need the reference number,
Also the birth of his brother James Usher born 1851 shows the volume No as XX (is this right).

Thanks Olwen
:-)

Hi Olwen, where have you searched for the birth records?

There is no "xx" on the FreeBMD record:

Births Dec 1851
USHER James Liverpool 20 301

For DOB reference
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FRANCIS USHER

Birth: 17 JUN 1848

Christening: 25 JUN 1848 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Parents:
Father: JAMES USHER
Mother: BRIDGET

Not seeing an obvious registration, but as there was no pressure on parents to register births until about 1874 many were not registered.

Looks like he was born before parents married

Marriages Dec 1848 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Boylan Mary Liverpool 20 273
Dolan Thomas Liverpool 20 273
HORN Ann Liverpool 20 273
************KERRMAN Bridget Liverpool 20 273
Russell Margaret Liverpool 20 273
Spelman Andrew Liverpool 20 273
************Usher James Liverpool 20 273
White James Liverpool 20 273


EDIT .. No, not this marriage

Wrong pairing.

1851

USHER, James Head M 30 1821 Porter
Ireland VIEW
USHER, Bridget Wife Married F 34 1817 Wife
Ireland VIEW
USHER, Francis Son Unmarried M 2 1849 Home
Liverpool
Lancashire VIEW
USHER, Mary Daughter Unmarried F 9 1842 Scholar
Ireland VIEW
MCNULTY, Peter Nephew Unmarried M 14 1837 Porter
Ireland VIEW
FERAN, Edward Lodger Married M 38 1813 Labourer
Ireland VIEW
Piece:
2180 Folio:
340 Page:
35 Registration District:
Liverpool

Civil Parish:
Liverpool Municipal Borough:
Address:
2, Manley Place, Wood Street, Liverpool County:
Lancashire

Baptisms: 25 Jun 1848 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Francis Usher - Child of James Usher & Bridget
Born: 17 Jun 1848
Abode: Gt Howard St
Occupation: Porter
Baptised by: J. G. Headlam Curate


Maybe James and Bridget married in Ireland.

I would get brother James' birth cert to check out Bridget's maiden name.

It was this site that I checked for the birth details for James Usher !! Thanks for the correct volume number. This is the right census for Francis Usher. I just thought it was strange that they registered James but not Francis.

Would either of these birth certificates show their mother's maiden name.

Olwyn, the birth certificate certainly should show maiden name (and former, if any)

I would always check FreeBMD for records http://www.freebmd.org.uk

I'd hazard a guess that the reason they mightn't have registered Francis is because he was illegitimate, whereas James wasn't - that's if the marriage Mike posted above was correct.

Thanks for this. Will order the birth certificate for James Usher.
I think that James and Bridget were married in Ireland, As they first appear in the 1851 census and they already had a daughter born in Ireland in 1842.

:-)

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1848
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
USHER James BOYLAN Mary Liverpool, Our Lady & St. Nicholas & St. Anne Liverpool 2053LP/19/496

Wish you had said that the parents probably married in Ireland.
Would have saved a lot of speculation.

Ignore the marriage I posted earlier in that case.

Mike - very sorry.
Olwen :-(

just as a matter of interest - on some versions of the birth index the volume number was written in roman numerals eg vol 20 written as XX and which I think is translated by freebmd

edit

just checked the image - the image says XX but when displaying the item freebmd translates it to 20

Forgiven Olwen .... seeing as it's Christmas :-)

Now looking for his sister Mary Usher born Down Ireland around 1942-1944. I have got her in the 51 and 61 census living in Liverpool with her parents and then not sure what happened to her.

I have now found on family search a marriage between a Mary Usher (1844) with the parents James and Bridget. Married on 6/1/1865 in Boston Massachusetts to a Frederick Fosselman.

Could anyone kindly look up to see if a Mary Usher emigrated between the years 1861-1864.

Many thanks Olwen

nudge

Can't find a reliable shipping record and can't find the Fosselmans on US census (that would have confirmed wife's birthplace).

Might Mary have gone back to Ireland?

Just posting this for reference as if we can find Frederick it might answer the question:

Massachusetts Marriages, 1841-1915 for Frederick Fosselman

name: Frederick Fosselman
titles & terms:
event: Marriage
event date: 06 Jan 1865
event place: Boston, Massachusetts
gender: Male
age: 32
marital status:
race:
birth date:
birthplace:
marriage registration year:
marriage registration place:
estimated birth year: 1833
father: Frederick Fosselman
father's titles & terms:
mother: Maria E.
mother's titles & terms:
spouse: Mary Usher
spouse's titles & terms:
spouse's race:
spouse's marital status:
spouse's father: James Usher
spouse's father's titles & terms:
spouse's mother: Bridget
spouse's mother's titles & terms:
record number: 45
film number: 1433022
digital folder number: 4279268
image number: 01058
number of images:

Looking at the original record, he was a mariner born Germany and she was born Ireland. Her age was 21. It also says it was a first marriage for both of them.

This girl's name is really Mary H Usher:

Atlantic Ports Passenger Lists, 1820-1873 and 1893-1959
Name: Mary Husher
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Gender: Female
Arrival Date: 25 Mar 1863
Port of Arrival: Portland and Falmouth, Maine
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Hibernian

She was a servant, normally residing England, and was going to Philadelphia.