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I am trying to locate whhere the children of Richard Mortimer b 1816 and Mary Ann Cousens (often went by name of Anne) b 1819 dissapear off to.

Richard Mortimer and Mary Ann Cousens married in 1847 in Hampshire and had six children that we are aware of:
Richard Cousens b 1846 Otterbourne, Hampshire
Charles Mortimer b 1849 Otterbourne, Hampshire
Harry Mortimer b 1851 Otterbourne, Hampshire
Emily Mortimer b 1854 Otterbourne, Hampshire
Mary Mortimer b 1857 Otterbourne, Hampshire
Thomas Mortimer b 1860 Otterbourne, Hampshire

The eldest son Richard was born out of wedlock with surname Cousens but he takes on Mortimer surname when parents marry. I have him on 1851 and 1861 census then he disappears.

I have Charles in 1851 and 1861 census but then nothing more.
I have Harry in 1851, 1861 and 1871 then he disappears.
I have Emily in 1861 then she disappears.
I have Mary in 1861 and 1871 then she disappears.
Their youngest child Thomas is the only one I have been able to track and he died in 1861 shortly after being born.

I have their parents on the census up until their deaths - Richard died in 1882. Mary doesn't appear on 1891 census presume she died by then but I haven't found a death for her either.

Any help at locating these children would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Have you ruled out the Harry Mortimer 1846 on the 1901 census in Hackney Union Workhouse

Name: Harry Mortimer
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1901
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Hackney
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1b
Page: 264

Emily Mortimer
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 27 Aug 1854 Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
residence: Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
parents: Richard Mortimer,? Anne


name: Emily Mortimer
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 27 Aug 1854
baptism/christening place: Otterbourne, Hampshire, England
father's name: Richard Mortimer
mother's name: Anne
indexing project (batch) number: I04032-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596257

Charles Mortimer
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 21 Jan 1849 Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
residence: Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
parents: Richard Mortimer,? Anne


name: Charles Mortimer
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 21 Jan 1849
baptism/christening place: Otterbourne, Hampshire, England
father's name: Richard Mortimer
mother's name: Anne
indexing project (batch) number: I04032-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596257

Mary Mortimer
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 07 Jun 1857 Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
residence: Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
parents: Richard Mortimer,? Anne


name: Mary Mortimer
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 07 Jun 1857
baptism/christening place: Otterbourne, Hampshire, England
father's name: Richard Mortimer
mother's name: Anne
indexing project (batch) number: I04032-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596257

Harry Mortimes
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 11 May 1851 Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
residence: Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
parents: Richard Mortimes,? Anne


name: Harry Mortimes
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 11 May 1851
baptism/christening place: Otterbourne, Hampshire, England
father's name: Richard Mortimes
mother's name: Anne
indexing project (batch) number: I02042-1
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 6344430

Charles Mortimore
England and Wales Census, 1861
birth: 1849 Otterbourne,? Hampshire
census: 1861 Alverstoke,? Hampshire,? England


name: Charles Mortimore
event: Census
event date: 1861
gender: Male
age: 12
relationship to head of household: Son
birthplace: Otterbourne, Hampshire
record type: Household
registration district: Alverstoke
sub-district: 1 Alverstoke
ecclesiastical parish: St Johns Forton
civil parish: Alverstoke
county: Hampshire

Richard Cousens
England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
christening: 05 Jul 1846 Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
residence: Otterbourne,? Hampshire,? England
parents: Anne Cousens


name: Richard Cousens
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 05 Jul 1846
baptism/christening place: Otterbourne, Hampshire, England
mother's name: Anne Cousens
indexing project (batch) number: I04032-8
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1596257

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Richard Cousins
Massachusetts, Deaths and Burials, 1795-1910
birth: 1846 England
death: 21 Mar 1886 Needham,? Massachusetts
burial: Needham
residence: 1886 Needham


name: Richard Cousins
gender: Male
burial place: Needham
death date: 21 Mar 1886
death place: Needham, Massachusetts
age: 40
birth date: 1846
birthplace: England
occupation: Laborer
race: White
marital status: Married
indexing project (batch) number: B06798-6
system origin: Massachusetts-EASy
source film number: 960232

I haven't ruled that Harry Mortimer in Hackney out so I will go and have a look in to that one Glitterbaby. EDIT - interestingly, he lists Mothernburg as his birthplace but there is no such place in Hampshire - wonder whether they meant Otterbourne?!?

Yes those are the baptisms for the children - I got them from Hampshire Record Office when I went although I know they are on FamilySearch too.

Thanks for the info on the Richard Cousens in Massachusetts - I suspect it isn't him given the fact he took the name Mortimer after his parents married although it's still a possibility which I will have a look in to.

Looks like Ann married again



Marriages Dec 1885
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Found George Winchester 2c 213
Hawkins Emma Winchester 2c 213
MORTIMER Anne Winchester 2c 213
Rolfe Thomas Winchester 2c 213




1891 England Census
Name: Anne Rolfe
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas Rolfe
Gender: Female
Where born: Otterbourne, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Otterbourne
Ecclesiastical parish: Otterbourne
Town: Otterbourne Hill
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Registration district: Winchester
Sub-registration district: Hursley
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 940
Folio: 55
Page Number: 35
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Rolfe 65
Anne Rolfe 71


England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Anne Rolfe
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1895
Age at Death: 73
Registration district: Winchester
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 2c
Page: 68



Deaths Jun 1898
-----------------------------------------------------
Rolfe Thomas 72 Winchester 2c 75



Be interesting to see who registered the death for the both of them and to check the witnesses on the marriage certificate

Thanks Gins for that - yes that looks like her - dates and birthplace tallies up. That will explain why I couldn't find a death for her! Yes it would be interesting to see who registered the deaths and who witnessed their marriage - might shed some light on the Mortimer children.

I'm stumped for the children?

Just checked overseas and nothing of interest :-(


Thi looks like it might be the Harry (death) that GB posted



1901 England Census
Name: Harry Mortimer
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Mothernbury, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: St Barnabas Homerton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-East Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: Hackney Union Workhouse
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Piece: 235
Folio: 48
Page Number: 23

I've been looking in to the Hacknay Harry and I managed to find him on 1891 and 1881 census too living with a Sarah as his wife. I haven't been able to find a marriage for them. The other census don't shed any light on his birthplace - they just state Hampshire. They have two children according to census and looks like Sarah was married before - I think to a William Lowe but haven't been able to find anything else to confirm this is my Harry - dates work out though.

Yes the others are very elusive - I haven't been able to find any deaths for them. I did check at the record office too for burials in the area they lived but nothing jumped out at me.

As for the Richard Cousins, the Massachusetts one got married over there but I cannot view the details as I don't have workdwide subscription on Ancestry and FamilySearch doesn't have it either - wondered what the father's name was.

Post the details for the 'Richard' marriage and I'll take a look


Edit: Father, Philip, mother Margaret

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Richard Mortimer <<<<<<<<<Butcher
Name: Richard Mortimer
Arrival Date: 4 Dec 1866
Birth Year: abt 1846
Age: 20
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: English
Place of Origin: England
Port of Departure: London, England
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Cella

Thanks for that - that rules him out then!

I have no idea where the children went. It seems really strange for them all to disappear yet the parents remain in the area.

Must have posted that at the same time. The date for the passenger list for Richard Mortimer would work out for him - year of birth is right and would explain why can't find him after 1861 census.

I can't understand why all the children would disappear?

I'm starting to think they all went overseas, maybe to a country that we dont have access to online?

If that Richard Mortimer record you found is him, perhaps he was the first to go and the others followed when they were a bit older? Also possible they went to a country we cannot get information for. Not sure how to move forward with this!

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Henry Mortemore (Bachelor)
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Sarah Ann Lowe (Widow)
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 24 Jun 1872
Parish: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Richard Mortemore (Labourer)
Register Type: Parish Register


Bride's father - John Little (Turncock)

Witnesses - Thomas Little and Sarah Scott

Groom's address - Stoke Newington
Bride's address - Brook Street

Wow thanks for the marriage - now I can see why I couldn't find it - a different surname variation. The father is Richard so that looks promising that this is my Harry! Yay! One child located now just the others to find!