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I am trying to trace the birth of my late Uncle Larry (Lawrence William Pick) he died in Scotland in 1949 aged 35, according to his death certificate his parents were Arthur Edwin Pick and Hope Empson, I found this on FamilySearch and think this may be the marriage of his parents, any help and guidance with this would be appreciated.

Name: Arthur E Pick
Event Type: Marriage
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Registration Year: 1911
Registration District: Hull
County: Yorkshire
Event Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Spouse Name (available after 1911):
Volume: 9D
Page: 562
Line Number: 15
Arthur E Pick probably married one of the following people
Name: James Boddy
Name: Hope Empson <<<<<<
Name: Maud R Marlow

Thanks,

Jim

Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Pick Lawrance W Henson Sculcoates 9d 355

Found here: http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Thanks Astra - I looked at that one earlier but put it to one side for time being as name Henson did not fit, not ruled it out as it could be a transcribing error.

First Name LAWRANCE W
Last Name PICK
Mother's Maiden Name HENSON <<<<<<
Year 1913
Event Quarter 3
Month of Registration -
Country England
County Yorkshire
District SCULCOATES

There is a Hope Empson in Hull in 1911, not seeing a Hope Henson so perhaps the name was recorded as sounded??
1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription

First Name HOPE
Last Name EMPSON
Relationship DAUGHTER
Condition SINGLE
Gender Female
Age 21
Year Of Birth 1890
Occupation -
Address 153 EDINBURGH ST HULL
Parish SCULCOATES
County Yorkshire, Yorkshire (East riding)
Country ENGLAND
Birth Place YORKSHIRE HULL
Year Of Marriage -
Years Of Marriage -
Archive Reference RG14
Piece Number 28629
Census Reference RG14PN28629 RG78PN1646 RD521 SD4 ED19 SN297
Registration District SCULCOATES
Registration District Number 521
Sub District HESSLE
Enumeration District 19
SubDistrict Number 4
Folio -
Page -
Record set 1911 Census for England & Wales

Household Members
First Name Last Name Relationship Age Year Of Birth Birth Place
WILLIAM EMPSON HEAD 42 1869 YORKSHIRE HULL Contractor
MARY ANN EMPSON WIFE 40 1871 YORKSHIRE HULL
HOPE EMPSON DAUGHTER 21 1890 YORKSHIRE HULL At Home<<<<<<<<
GEORGE W EMPSON SON 19 1892 YORKSHIRE HULL Brass Moulders App
EARNST EMPSON SON 17 1894 YORKSHIRE HULL Brass Finishers App
JOHN T EMPSON SON 15 1896 YORKSHIRE HULL
ELSIE EMPSON DAUGHTER 7 1904 -

Parents married 22 years 8 children born 5 alive, 3 have died

There is this birth too and not see a Henson / Pick marriage

Name: Arthur E Pick
Mother's Maiden Name: Henson
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1912
Registration district: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 301

Looks like a 'possible' for his father?

1911 England Census about Arthur Pick
Name: Arthur Pick
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Hull
Civil Parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street address: 64 Eton St
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Labourer General
Registration district: Hull
Registration District Number: 522
Sub-registration district: Myton
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Piece: 28798
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Wertley Pick 50
Harriet Pick 49
Arthur Pick 24
Thomas Pick 20
Stephen Pick 18
Ernest Pick 9
Violet Pick 16



Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 28798.

Dea x

Did Hope remarry to an Atkinson after Arthur died in WW1 ?

Dea x

greyghost thanks for that - Hope being in Hull in 1911 seems to tie in with the marriage in my opening post.

Ancestry has part of his service records but they are very difficult to read.

It looks like Lawrence might have been born 13th September, 1913.

He had one older sibling born 18.5.12 and a younger one born 8.3.16 but the names are too feint to read.


British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920 about Arthur Edward Pick
Name: Arthur Edward Pick
Age at enlistment: 27
Birth County: Yorkshire
Regimental Number: 12656
Regiment Name: East Yorkshire Regiment
Number of Images: 12

Dea x

Name: Arthur Edward Pick
Age at enlistment: 27
Birth County: Yorkshire
Regimental Number: 12656
Regiment Name: East Yorkshire Regiment
Number of Images: 12


Above was killed in action and looks like his wife remarried as records have her signature as Hope Atkinson when she received his war medals.


The image is very feint but looks like three children born 8/05/1912, 13/09/ 1913 and 08/03/1916



PICK, A E

Rank:
Private
Service No:
12656
Date of Death:
20/06/1916
Regiment/Service:
East Yorkshire Regiment

7th Bn.
Grave Reference
V. B. 3.
Cemetery
CITADEL NEW MILITARY CEMETERY, FRICOURT
Additional Information:



Name: Hope Pick
Spouse Surname: Atkinson, Joseph
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 790

?? If that marriage is right, then those children have mmn Empson,

Spouse District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1920 (>99%)
Atkinson Joseph Pick Hull 9d 790 was to Hope Pick


Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Sep 1920 (>99%)
Atkinson Mary L Empson Hull 9d 578
Births Sep 1922 (>99%)
Atkinson Annie Empson Hull 9d 583
Births Sep 1924 (>99%)
Atkinson Louisa Empson Hull 9d 540
Births Mar 1926 (>99%)
Atkinson Joseph E Empson Hull 9d 505

Name: Hope Atkinson
Birth Date: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Dec 1927
Age at Death: 38
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 342


1911 to confirm the surname

Name: Hope Empson
Age in 1911: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1890
Relation to Head: Daughter
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Hull, Yorkshire, England
Civil Parish: Sculcoates
County/Island: Yorkshire-East Riding
Country: England
Street address: 153 Edinburgh St Hull
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: At Home
Registration district: Sculcoates
Registration District Number: 521
Sub-registration district: Hessle
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Piece: 28629
Household Members:
Name Age
William Empson 42
Mary Ann Empson 40
Hope Empson 21
George Ws Empson 19
Earnst Empson 17
John T Empson 15
Elsie Empson 7

The 1916 birth has Empson, so looks like the surname was mis recorded/transcribed twice on the 1912 and 1913 birth registrations

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Pick Arthur J Empson Sculcoates 9d 313

Third child from first marriage has mmn Empson

Name: Arthur J Pick
Mother's Maiden Surname: Empson
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1916
Registration district: Sculcoates
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume Number: 9d
Page Number: 313



Name: Arthur John Pick
Birth Date: 8 Mar 1916
Date of Registration: Feb 1992
Age at Death: 75
Registration district: Kings Lynn
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 10
Page: 1602

rootgatherer & Dea - the only confirmation I have that Arthur Edwin Pick and Hope Empson were my Uncle Larry's parents is from his death certificate, his father is shown as being a plumber's labourer and was deceased at the time of Uncle Larry's death in 1949 as was his mother Hope my Uncle Larry was an artificer/engine fitter in the Royal Navy.

Looks pretty conclusive then that you have the correct birth. I suspect that the father registered the first two births and his accent was misheard or misunderstood. Probably Hope registered the third birth herself as Arthur was off giving his life for King and Country and probably never saw his third child.

Wonder if the two children named Arthur used their middle names? This is the only possible death I can see for the first Arthur

Name: Arthur E Pick
Birth Date: abt 1913
Date of Registration: Mar 1924
Age at Death: 11
Registration district: Hull
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 470

Thanks rootgatherer, greyghost, and Dea - a lot for me to digest there, and my poor eyesight does not help, so far my reading is that Hope Empson married Arthur Edwin Pick, and they had 3 children ???? - 8/05/1912, Lawrence - 13/09/1913, and Arthur 08/03/1916, and after Arthur was killed in 1916 - Hope then married a Joseph Atkinson in 1920, that said I am a bit confused as to the surnames of Hope & Arthur's 3 children i.e. was it Pick or Empson.

Hope and Arthur's children would have been 'Pick'.

Having said that, as their mother remarried to an Atkinson when they were quite young, they may or may not have then taken the name Atkinson from their new step-father.

Dea x

The child's surnames are consistently Pick but Henson/Empson here on the birth registration record is showing the mother's maiden name

Surname First name(s) Mother District Vol Page
Births Jun 1912 (>99%)
Pick Arthur E Henson Sculcoates 9d 301
Births Sep 1913 (>99%)
Pick Lawrance W Henson Sculcoates 9d 355 name

Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
Pick Arthur J Empson Sculcoates 9d 313

On the 2 earlier births it shows Henson which we believe was wrongly heard and recorded or wrongly transcribed.

The later births in the name of Atkinson still show Empson as it should always be the mothers maiden name that is shown. The birth certificate should show mother as Empson formerly Pick