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I have the details of a search I found in Ancestry some 10 years ago on the 1861 census but stupidly I did not write down the piece / folio / page number etc.

Now when trying to find the family in Findmypast I cannot.

Can somebody look them up in Ancestry and let me know the details, so that I can then find them in Findmypast.

The family are:

Living 2 New Street, Mile End Old Town, Whitechapel. He is a musician?

Henry Hamberger abt 1826 Germany Head
Catherine Hamberger abt 1834 Germany Wife
Henry Hamberger abt 1858 Germany Son
Catherine Hamberger abt 1860 Germany Daughter


Thank you


John

Henry Hamberger in the 1861 England Census

Name: Henry Hamberger
Age: 35
Estimated birth year: 1826
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Hamberger
Gender: Male
Where born: Germany
Civil Parish: Mile End Old Town
Ecclesiastical parish: St Philip
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 315
Piece: 290
Folio: 39
Page Number: 53
Household Members:
Name Age
Henry Hamberger 35
Catherine Hamberger 27
Henry Hamberger 3
Catherine Hamberger 1
Julius Kusher 18
Theodore Kusher 15
Jacob Degen 19
Jacob Haverman 14
Henrich Modes 14
Jacob Amman 15

Thanks that is them.

I have now found them in findmypast by using the piece/folio/page number, not sure what they are transcribed under.

Did you look at the image? In your opinion does the surname actually say Hamberger? To me it is so unclear.

John

It's probably the best transcription you'll get.
The H at the beginning of the name is the same as the one in Head.
There is a feint upward stroke for the b.
The r's are the same as in Catherine. Similarly the e's.

Don't get too hung up on the spelling if it changes later on; they're often spelt phonetically if the family is illiterate. In this case, the enumerator might have had to cope with a strong accent or someone who couldn't speak English.

One of the problems is that I do not believe they do appear later.
(Sorry posted same time as above post)

Thanks for the replies. The actual family I am looking for are called Hanenberger

This is them in 1881
6 Leman Street, Red Lion Yard, London
HEAD HENRY HANENBERGER 51 FUR SKIN DYER BORN GERMANY,
wife Catherine 47 born Germany,
daughter Elizabeth Hanenberger 19 born Middlesex, unemployed domestic servant,
son John Hanenberger 17 born Germany cabinet maker,
son Peter Hanenberger 12 born Middlesex,
daughter Margaret Hanenberger 9 born Middlesex,
son Fredy Hanenberger 6 born Middlesex.

I cannot find them in 1871, the original post querying 1861 census was for me to confirm or rule that family out. Which I still cannot do.

saw below...

Chris :)

http://www.census1891.com/viewhouse.php?sid=235&did=5042

Katharina Hanenberger H Wi 51 F Bavaria, Platinab

Peter Hanenberger So S 21 M Fur Dresser Ed London, Whitechapel


Edits (not sure how you found them on FMP 1861, below brings them up on there, then go back 1 image)

Edmund (Born) 1861 1861 England, Wales & Scotland Census Hamlet Mile End Old Town, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Elisabetha Hahnenberger in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Elisabetha Hahnenberger
Gender: Female
Baptism Date: 15 Dec 1861
Baptism Place: White Chapel, Middlesex, England
Father: Heinrich Hahnenberger
Mother: Catharina Longwaker


Germany, Select Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898
Name Heinrich Hanenberger
Gender Male
Birth Date 11 Jul 1857
Birth Place Hefersweiler,Pfalz,Bavaria
Father Heinrich Hanenberger
Mother Catharina Langwasser
FHL Film Number 415843
Household Members
Name Age
Heinrich Hanenberger
Catharina Langwasser
Heinrich Hanenberger


Germany, Select Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898
Name Johannes Hanenberger
Gender Male
Birth Date 08 Feb 1864
Birth Place Berzweiler,Pfalz,Bavaria
Father Heinrich Hanenberger
Mother Catharina Langwasser
FHL Film Number 415684
Household Members
Name Age
Johannes Hanenberger
Catharina Langwasser
Heinrich Hanenberger


Germany, Select Marriages, 1558-1929
Name Heinrich Hanenberger
Gender Male
Marriage Date 30 Jan 1856
Marriage Place Berzweiler, Pfalz, Bavaria
Spouse Catharina Langwasser
FHL Film Number 415685
Household Members
Name Age
Catharina Langwasser
Heinrich Hanenberger

I am not having any luck with the 1871 census.

Chris were you asking me how I found them in fmp for 1861?

That was the initial problem, I couldn't find them. PricklyHolly kindly found them on Ancestry and using the numbers Piece: 290 Folio: 39 Page Number: 53 I entered these and only these details in fmp.

This brings up just 1 entry for Rachel Simmons I then viewed her image which then shows the whole page including The Hambergers.

I haven't got a clue what they are transcribed as in fmp if they are at all.

HANBERGER, MARGARET LONGWATER Order
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 48

Thanks PricklyHolly, I have found those details in the past.

Relating to Elizabetha baptised 15 Dec 1861 I then found this registration in freebmd ¼ Dec 1861 Whitechapel 1c 374 and assumed it was her.

But this is what the birth cert shows: born 13 November 1861. Elizabeth Hanberger. 15 Fieldgate Street, Whitechapel, father Henry Hanberger, a musician, mother Catherine Hanberger formerly Berndes

Now because the mothers maiden name is different to that shown on the baptism and because I have traced her with her father and mother in 1881 and her father is a fur skin dyer.

I am wondering if the Hamberger family in 1861 is a different family to the Henry and Catherine (nee Langwasser) that you have found PricklyHolly and the family in 1881.

????


1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Plumbers Row, Mile End Old Town, London, England

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Household Members
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Henry Handburger Head - Male 44 1827 - Germany
Transcription
Catherine Handburger Wife - Female 35 1836 - Germany
Transcription
Henry Handburger Son - Male 13 1858 - Germany


henry is a skin dyer

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First name(s) Henry
Last name Handburger
Relationship Head
Marital status -
Gender Male
Age 44
Birth year 1827
Occupation -
Birth town -
Birth county -
Birth county as transcribed GERMANY
Birth place Germany
House name -
Street Plumbers Row
Parish -
Town -
City -
County London, Middlesex
Country England
Registration district Mile End Old Town
Archive reference RG10
Piece number 556
Folio 4
Page 7
Record set 1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Category Census, land & surveys
Subcategory Census
Collections from Great Britain

I think that is them in 1871 safc that was a good find.

Can I ask what you put in the search page to find them?

Now for 1861!!

Well not transcribed 1861 perhaps!...(can only give you below directions to get there!)

Chris :)

FMP 1861

mile end old town (in box next to Where)

new street (in box Optional Keywords)

(see Edmund 1861 that comes up, on his image, go back to previous, they are there, No.2)


(was easier in olden days, we used to just copy in folio, page etc.)

i put in henry 1828 plus or minus 5 years

other house hold name catherine

mile end for place

Well done Saf......

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Plumbers Row, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Henry Handburger Head - Male 44 1827 - Germany
Catherine Handburger Wife - Female 35 1836 - Germany
Henry Handburger Son - Male 13 1858 - Germany

If you check out the image on Ancestry......other "Handbuger's" are also on that page.

Did find Baptism, Ancestry, London for below (Peter/Mary) earlier on when looking at things!...(think Fur Dresser, for occ. Peter)

(for couple on that 1871 above)

Births Jun 1872 (>99%)
HANBERGER Frederick William Mile End 1c 607

(Burns for Maiden Name, new GRO Index, and below)

HANBERGER, HENRY (BERNS)
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 542

Chris :)


Edits (so if Katherina and Peter on 1891 link posted, must be a Death for Henry, she is down as Widow)

Deaths Sep 1883 (>99%)
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HANBERGER Henry 57 Whitechapel 1c 239


Marriages Sep 1894 (>99%)
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Hamberger Peter Poplar 1c 911
Stringer Hannah Mary E Poplar 1c 911

(image for above, Ancestry, London, Father Henry, Deceased. occ Fur Dresser)


HAHNBERGER, PETER (LACKEN)
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 487

(if him)

1901 (Find My Past)
Peter Hanberger Head Married Male 31 1870 Fur Dresser London, England
H M Hanberger Wife Married Female 31 1870 Stay Maker London, England
H F Hanberger Son Single Male 2 1899 - West Ham, Essex, England
M A Hanberger Daughter Single Female 0 1901 - Plaistow, Essex, England
Street Meath Road
Parish West Ham
County Essex
Municipal ward West Ham
Registration district West Ham
Archive reference RG13
Piece number 1571
Folio 5
Page 1


1911 (Find My Past)
Peter Hamberger Head Married Male Fur Dresser 42 1869 London Whitechapel
Hannah Hamberger Wife Married Female Sewing Machinist 42 1869 London Bow
Harry Hamberger Son - Male School 12 1899 Essex Westham
Nery Hamberger Daughter - Female School 10 1901 Essex Westham
John Hamberger Son - Male - 8 1903 Essex Westham
Florence Hamberger Daughter - Female - 6 1905 Essex Westham
Dorethy Hamberger Daughter - Female - 3 1908 Essex Westham
Alice Hamberger Daughter - Female - 2 1909 Essex Westham
Address 9 Amity Road West Ham Stratford
Parish West Ham
County Essex
Census reference RG14 PN9409 RG78 PN506 RD188 SD2 ED36 SN174
(says Married 15yrs, 7 children born, 6 living, 1 died)


1939 Register (Find My Past)

9 Amity Road , West Ham C.B., Essex,
Peter Hamberger 13 Apr 1868 Male Fur Dresser -Retired Married
Hannah E Hamberger 12 Aug 1868 Female Unpaid Domestic Duties Married Dorothy E Hamberger 14 Jul 1907 Female Gents Tailoress Vest Fixer Single
Alice H Hamberger 01 Jan 1909 Female Elliot Fisher Operator Typist Single


Deaths Dec 1940 (>99%)
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Hamberger Peter 71 Halstead 4a 1864


https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch

(Burial, Newham on above)


https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp

(for new search GRO, Maiden Name of Mother)


HANBERGER, MARGARET (LONGWATER)
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in MILE END OLD TOWN Volume 01C Page 486

Above Henry, Catherine and son Henry on the 1871 census is.......

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
Plumbers Row, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Peter Handburger Head - Male 33 1838 - Germany Skin Dyer
Mary Handburger Wife - Female 31 1840 - Germany
Mary Handburger Daughter - Female 11 1860 - London, Middlesex, England
Peter Handburger Son - Male 8 1863 - London, Middlesex, England
Louis Handburger Son - Male 12 1859 - London, Middlesex, England



1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
7, Holloway Street, Mile End Old Town, London, England

Peter Dauburger Head Married Male 43 1838 Skin Dyer Germany
Mary Dauburger Wife Married Female 41 1840 - Prussia, Germany
Peter Dauburger Son Single Male 18 1863 Skin Dyer City of London, Middlesex, England
Louis Dauburger Son Single Male 13 1868 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
Henry Dauburger Son Single Male 11 1870 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
Frank Dauburger Son Single Male 8 1873 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
John Dauburger Son Single Male 6 1875 Scholar City of London, Middlesex, England
Henrietta Dauburger Daughter Single Female 3 1878 Scholar City of London,

Have not had a chance to look at 1881 yet but Louis has not really aged.